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Ogee wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:32 pm Moscow Accuses Kiev of Deliberately Shooting Down Russian Plane of Ukrainian POW's w/ Mark Sleboda



Details of the Il-76 plane crash in the Belgorod region are given State Duma deputy Kartapolov:

The leadership of Ukraine was well aware of the upcoming exchange, knew perfectly well how prisoners of war would be delivered.

The IL-76 was "shot down by three Patriot or IRIS-T missiles."

Another Il-76 with 80 prisoners on board was flying next, it was turned around.



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"The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that there were 65 prisoners, 6 crew members and 3 escorts on the IL-76. This is complete bullshit. When I was taken by plane from Bryansk to Belgorod, there were about 20 Russian military policemen for every 50 prisoners of war," writes Maksym Kolesnikov, a soldier who was captured by Russia.

At least 17 people who are on the fake list of Rashists have long since returned. Their names can be found in previous lists for exchange.

In addition, this particular plane regularly made flights with military cargo to Belgorod. OSINT analysts say the plane flew over Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran. It disappeared from the radars near Syria, and then appeared already in the Belgorod area.

17 people from the "list" of propagandists with the names of our prisoners, who were supposedly on IL-76, coincide with the list of exchange on January 3.

A little general "volunteer" efforts of the public and no magic, or millions from the budget for state media to resist Russian disinformation.

vvFish wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:37 pm
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17 people from the "list" of propagandists with the names of our prisoners, who were supposedly on IL-76, coincide with the list of exchange on January 3.

A little general "volunteer" efforts of the public and no magic, or millions from the budget for state media to resist Russian disinformation.

I'm not too worried about an unofficial list of some of those supposedly on board.

Are you saying that an aircraft transporting some Ukrainian POWs wasn't shot down by Ukrainian forces while travelling to a pre-arranged prisoner exchange? Because I'm pretty sure it was.

Ogee wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:09 pm I'm not too worried about an unofficial list of some of those supposedly on board.

Are you saying that an aircraft transporting some Ukrainian POWs wasn't shot down by Ukrainian forces while travelling to a pre-arranged prisoner exchange? Because I'm pretty sure it was.

I want to tell you that there were no prisoners on that plane at all.
Three bodies were found at the crash site.
Where do you see the mountain of corpses here?

vvFish wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:31 pm
I want to tell you that there were no prisoners on that plane at all.
Three bodies were found at the crash site.

How do you know?

vvFish wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:31 pm
I want to tell you that there were no prisoners on that plane at all.
Three bodies were found at the crash site.

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Where do you see the mountain of corpses here?

Eer, the crash site is in Russia not Ukraine, I really really wouldn't trust Ukrainian intel on that given the timeline progression of ever changing stories released by the Ukrainians. From the moment of the firing of the missiles (jubilation of success) to the present (blaming Russia), as outlined in the Military Summery video posted above with copies of updates of the constantly changing Ukrainian position on the incident.


Good overview of the current situation (waiting for Trump?)

UNSC Meet: Peace plans by Kyiv are a cover to continue war, says Sergey Lavrov | WION News

Ogee wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:07 pm Eer, the crash site is in Russia not Ukraine, I really really wouldn't trust Ukrainian intel on that given the timeline progression of ever changing stories released by the Ukrainians. From the moment of the firing of the missiles (jubilation of success) to the present (blaming Russia), as outlined in the Military Summery video posted above with copies of updates of the constantly changing Ukrainian position on the incident.


Good overview of the current situation (waiting for Trump?)

UNSC Meet: Peace plans by Kyiv are a cover to continue war, says Sergey Lavrov | WION News

Pepel wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:15 pm

Thanks for reposting that link to the very interesting interview from the Indian news organisation.

Here's another from the Military Summery with news that the Ukrainian 110th mechanised brigade has just announced they have gone non-operational due to heavy losses in the defence of Avdyevka.



Zelenky comments on the fate of the Ukrainian POWs. Note that the plane was not long from take off in Russia and never coming from Iran carrying missiles as the Ukrainians first claimed. Note also that there is no other traffic from these airports, due to their close proximity to the Ukraine border, except for prisoner exchanges.

Ogee,say thank you to the FSB, they pay you