doolfrews wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:24 pm Though I must admit, the 'Banderas' version has its own charm.

lmfaaoooo

waitting

Антонио, давай вперёд!

The dematerialisation [...] of Ukraine.

Annihilation.

More seriously: it's about Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian independence
and nationalist activist who lived in the first half of the 20th century.
There are a lot of myths surrounding this war in general, which are
not fully understandable to more distant observers. For example,
the fight against Bandera supporters as a pretext for invasion,
which has been said for over a decade. It just so happens that
Bandera sympathies - if they exist at all - are present only in
the western outskirts of Ukraine, which is somehow historically
conditioned. They are completely absent especially in eastern Ukraine.
And the Kremlin is not interested in these western regions at all.
That is, the regions where Bandera supporters are potentially
active remain completely outside the Kremlin's sphere of interest.
In turn, Zelensky is a Jew whose family was killed during the Holocaust,
so accusing him of fascist sympathies makes no sense.

Anyway, the headquarters didn't do a good job with
the message this time.

wojtek wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:57 pm Антонио, давай вперёд!



Annihilation.

More seriously: it's about Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian independence
and nationalist activist who lived in the first half of the 20th century.
There are a lot of myths surrounding this war in general, which are
not fully understandable to more distant observers. For example,
the fight against Bandera supporters as a pretext for invasion,
which has been said for over a decade. It just so happens that
Bandera sympathies - if they exist at all - are present only in
the western outskirts of Ukraine, which is somehow historically
conditioned. They are completely absent especially in eastern Ukraine.
And the Kremlin is not interested in these western regions at all.
That is, the regions where Bandera supporters are potentially
active remain completely outside the Kremlin's sphere of interest.
In turn, Zelensky is a Jew whose family was killed during the Holocaust,
so accusing him of fascist sympathies makes no sense.

Anyway, the headquarters didn't do a good job with
the message this time.

You've conveniently missed the point about Mr. "Antonio Banderas" while cherry picking facts to fit your narrative - so allow me to return the favor and level the playing field.

'They are completely absent, especially in eastern Ukraine.'
Naturally they're absent in what was eastern Ukraine - most were either killed or taken prisoner in Mariupol and Bakhmut.
We cannot imagine having fascist supporters in that area now can we?

'If they exist at all.'
How quickly we forget! Not long ago, mainstream media outlets (BBC, Euronews etc.) themselves published articles and documentaries about rising fascist elements in Ukraine. Bandera supporters march annually through Kyiv which, last I checked, isn't in western Ukraine.
Those reports haven’t vanished. They’re still there, just one honest search away.

All news could change tomorrow or be wrong lol
1% chance it saves your life from the inevitable WW3
Is fun history lesson i guess

doolfrews wrote: Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:27 am How quickly we forget! Not long ago, mainstream media outlets (BBC, Euronews etc.) themselves published articles and documentaries about rising fascist elements in Ukraine. Bandera supporters march annually through Kyiv which, last I checked, isn't in western Ukraine.
Those reports haven’t vanished. They’re still there, just one honest search away.

For historical reasons starting before WW2 (those not very
numerous) Bandera supporters in western Ukraine are rather quite
hostile mainly towards Poland, so they don't really bother Moscow?

BTW, Putin has proposed to Warsaw to divide Ukraine
at least a few times in the past (pictured in 2009 with
former and current Polish PM).

wojtek wrote: Wed Jul 09, 2025 3:25 am For historical reasons starting before WW2 (those not very
numerous) Bandera supporters in western Ukraine are rather quite
hostile mainly towards Poland, so they don't really bother Moscow?

BTW, Putin has proposed to Warsaw to divide Ukraine
at least a few times in the past (pictured in 2009 with
former and current Polish PM).

"At least a few times" - Says who? Are you basing this on Sikorski's claims? Let me refresh your memory:

After the 2014 interview was published, Sikorski himself stated on Twitter it wasn't entirely accurate, clarifying that 'some of the words have been overinterpreted.'

But here's what's truly ironic, Wojtek - it was none other than former Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski who admitted on Radio ZET in 2022 that Poland had 'a moment of hesitation' about partitioning Ukraine in the war's early days.

When asked directly if the Polish government considered Ukraine's partition, Sikorski stated:
'I think they had a moment of hesitation in the first 10 days of the war, when we all didn't know how it would go... Had it not been for Zelenskyy's heroism and Western aid, things could have been different.'

Original Polish quote:
'Myślę, że miał moment zawahania w pierwszych 10 dniach wojny, gdy wszyscy nie wiedzieliśmy, jak ona pójdzie... Gdyby nie bohaterstwo Zełenskiego i pomoc Zachodu, to różnie mogło być.'

Funny how you omitted this crucial information. For true objectivity, shouldn't this admission from Poland's own former top diplomat carry at least as much weight as speculative claims?

You're a true expert on the subject, congratulations!

As for the merits, Sikorski has been the Minister of Foreign Affairs
since December 13, 2023, before that - in particular in the first year
of the war in 2022 - he was in the opposition (and far from Poland,
because in the bureaucratic European Parliament), so his knowledge
from that period is highly limited.

wojtek wrote: Wed Jul 09, 2025 4:15 am You're a true expert on the subject, congratulations!

As for the merits, Sikorski has been the Minister of Foreign Affairs
since December 13, 2023, before that - in particular in the first year
of the war in 2022 - he was in the opposition (and far from Poland,
because in the bureaucratic European Parliament), so his knowledge
from that period is highly limited.

Aha so you and Sikorski share the same 'flexible' relationship with facts — how cozy.

We are an average country on the rise, only 20th in the world
in terms of GDP, so we are not looking for adventures.