Dear Ogee, I just only wanted to point out that
there are many peaceful ways to resolve any dispute,
even through an attempt at economic expansion,
and that any war and killing people is always barbaric.
This applies to all conflicts - in Europe, Asia,
the Middle East, etc. An example of a peaceful
resolution to a critically difficult situation is
the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. No human, not even
the most powerful, has the right to kill other people.
But of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.

(the movie Thirteen days: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146309/)

[SPECIAL] TRUMP BOMBS IRAN! w/ Scott Ritter and Judge Napolitano

AI Summary:

The analysis underscores that the recent U.S. military actions against Iran are illegitimate, ineffective, and destabilizing. They violate constitutional and international law, endanger American lives, and undermine global stability. The international response is likely to condemn and counteract U.S. efforts, pushing the world toward a more multipolar and law-based order.

The situation remains highly volatile, with Iran acting responsibly and strategically, while the U.S. faces escalation risks and potential nuclear confrontations. It is imperative for Congress to reassert its constitutional authority and prevent further unconstitutional military actions.

The global community must uphold international law to avoid catastrophic consequences. The coming days will be critical in determining whether diplomacy or further conflict prevails, but the current trajectory suggests a dangerous path that could reshape international relations for years to come.

wojtek wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:24 pm Dear Ogee, I just only wanted to point out that
there are many peaceful ways to resolve any dispute,
even through an attempt at economic expansion,
and that any war and killing people is always barbaric.
This applies to all conflicts - in Europe, Asia,
the Middle East, etc. An example of a peaceful
resolution to a critically difficult situation is
the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. No human, not even
the most powerful, has the right to kill other people.
But of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes, I understand- there are peaceful ways to resolve disputes. That is why I included the quote that war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means.

Diplomacy fails for a reason.

War will always occur when 1 side is determined to bring about the downfall of another by any means necessary.

Merkle and Holland admitted they had no intention of fulfilling the Minsk agreements, the talks were just a device to buy time for NATO to build up the Ukrainian army for a war with Russia.

The changing of the Ukrainian constitution to make the persecution of Russian speakers in east Ukraine legal was designed to encourage a war with Russia.

The 4000 civilian deaths in the civil war between 2014 to 2022 that were mostly Russian speaking east Ukrainians was designed to encourage a war with Russia.

It was all planned from the start.

Biden himself admitted he couldn't understand why Putin waited so long.

When someone is determined to kill you, you do absolutely have the right to kill them.

And now we see the US has found another willing proxy for a new war in the middle east and although the current US president was a bit hesitant the neocons soon dragged him back into line.

The US just can't figure out a way to keep it's global hegemony without forever wars.

wojtek wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:24 pm Dear Ogee, I just only wanted to point out that
there are many peaceful ways to resolve any dispute,
even through an attempt at economic expansion,
and that any war and killing people is always barbaric.
This applies to all conflicts - in Europe, Asia,
the Middle East, etc. An example of a peaceful
resolution to a critically difficult situation is
the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. No human, not even
the most powerful, has the right to kill other people.
But of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.

(the movie Thirteen days: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146309/)

Let’s not rewrite history: The Minsk agreements were Ukraine’s chance to avoid this bloodbath. But who sabotaged them? Ukraine did. Who admitted it was all a stalling tactic to arm up? Merkel herself. Who openly gloated about Ukrainian kids in schools while Donbas children hid in basements? Poroshenko— "democratic" leader.
Who was jumping on squares screaming - "He who doesn't jump is a Muscovite!".


Now you cry for peace? After years of broken deals and vile rhetoric? Wake up. Ukraine’s fate carved up or turned into a puppet state—is the direct result of Ukrainians arrogance. The only ones to blame are the Ukrainians who cheered this madness on.

Two against one? That's not fair. (just kidding)

Russian perspective on current state of the Ukraine and Iran conflicts.

Russia-Ukraine POW exchanges. If Iran falls, Russia underbelly exposed w/ Stanislav Krapivnik

General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
5 hours ·
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 23.06.25 were approximately /
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 23.06.25
personnel – about / about 1012500 (+1010) persons
tanks / tanks – 10965 (+1) from
troop-carrying AFVs – 22872 (+5) from
artillery systems / artillery systems – 29490 (+58) from
MLRS / MLRS – 1423 (+2) from
anti-aircraft systems / anti-aircraft systems – 1188 (+0) from
aircraft / aircraft – 416 (+0) from
helicopters – 337 (+0) units
UAV operational-tactical level – 41717 (+138)
cruise missiles – 3376 (+0)
warships – 28 (+0) units
submarines – 1 (+0) units
vehicles and fuel tanks – 52861 (+127) units
special equipment – ​​3920 (+0)

Ogee wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:51 pm Russian perspective on current state of the Ukraine and Iran conflicts.

Russia-Ukraine POW exchanges. If Iran falls, Russia underbelly exposed w/ Stanislav Krapivnik

Ok this is just too much now

wojtek wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:02 pm Two against one? That's not fair. (just kidding)

Don’t worry - Fish will soon work his Photoshop magic and then all logic goes out the window. Just one heavily edited picture, and suddenly facts don’t matter anymore.

IDK if true, but...