Ogee wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:38 pm Oh dear, imagine calling Trump a socialist, how can the poor man ever recover from such a slur. SMH.

That's why I will refrain at all costs from calling him an anarchist (joke).

However - 'you will know them by their fruits',
which will become clear in some time...

Ogee wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:38 pm Of course it will work but it's a sign of a shift away from a hegemon unipolar world and towards a multipolar one, which is also a good thing for everyone in the long run and a more natural state of affairs from a historical perspective.

Yes, that's interesting. The bipolar system is generally more stable
than the unipolar one - for example, mutual influences that can
be called 'competition' give impulses for faster development and
maintaining 'order' in their / both zones (etc). It was and it is obvious
that there will be attempts to rebuild such a division of the world.

However, 'the point of view depends on the point of sitting',
and countries on the border of the ranges encompassing
both poles have reasons to be concerned. In this vision, for example,
Ukraine belongs to the Eurasian pole, and everyone should
come to terms with it - especially Ukrainians, even if they do not want
it at all costs, because they liked the central-western European order more.
There is an obvious tendency to return to 'the concert of powers',
where smaller states simply do not count...

"Some people are not actually emotionally or psychologically fit to own stocks."

Big difference between this emerging trade war and the last one in 2017 is that then the world was in economic recovery when the tariff/trade war started but this time the world was heading towards recession.

*CHINA STOCKS PLUMMET 12% IN WORST DROP SINCE 2008'



















Markets Are Crashing for a Reason Everyone Missed

New tariffs on China possible.

“They basically want to kill me because I'm stopping their fraud.

Reminder that the protests against Musk and Tesla are sponsored (financially) by a host of NGOs.

Ogee wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:46 pm Reminder that the protests against Musk and Tesla are sponsored (financially) by a host of NGOs.

Oh no! What's an NGO?

ChuChu Rocket wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 7:50 pm Oh no! What's an NGO?

Non Government Organisation.

I have seen a web site dedicated to the Tesla Takedown movement which proudly lists organisations.

Got the list below off Grok.

Note that ActBlue mentioned numerous times, they're a Democrat org that controls billions of $.

The "Tesla Takedown" movement.


1/ Troublemakers
Description: A Seattle-based activist group focused on environmental and social justice causes.

Alleged Role: Named by Elon Musk on X as one of five ActBlue-funded groups responsible for Tesla protests. Posts on X also suggest Troublemakers has sponsored a significant portion (around 70%) of the protests against Musk and Tesla, though this is unverified by independent data.

Source Context: Musk’s claims tie it to ActBlue, a Democratic fundraising platform, but no direct evidence of funding specifics is widely documented.

2/ Disruption Project
Description: A Philadelphia-based group known for supporting left-wing activism, including resources for protests.

Alleged Role: Cited alongside Troublemakers as organizing about 70% of Tesla protests in some X posts. It’s also noted for leading the "Tesla Takedown" movement, offering activist tools like "jail support" and targeting strategies. Musk listed it among ActBlue-funded groups.

Source Context: Mentioned in both X posts and web sources as a key player, but funding and exact involvement remain speculative without audited financial records.

3/ Indivisible Project
Description: A Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit founded by former Democratic congressional staffers, aimed at grassroots political organizing.

Alleged Role: Accused by Musk of being ActBlue-funded and involved in Tesla protests. X posts claim its local chapters organized about 29% of protests, and it has been linked to providing a "tool kit" for anti-Musk actions. Some sources allege funding from George Soros and USAID, though this is unconfirmed.

Source Context: Frequently cited in anti-Musk narratives on X as an "astroturf" group, but hard evidence of direct sponsorship is limited.

4/ Rise & Resist
Description: A New York-based activist group focused on direct action against perceived injustices.

Alleged Role: Named by Musk as one of the five ActBlue-funded groups behind Tesla protests. Its involvement is less detailed in sources compared to others, but it aligns with broader anti-Musk activism.

Source Context: Lacks specific protest event documentation in the provided data, making its role less clear.

5/ Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
Description: A national organization advocating socialist policies, with local chapters across the U.S.

Alleged Role: Included in Musk’s list of ActBlue-funded groups allegedly orchestrating Tesla protests. Its broader political stance opposes billionaire influence, which could motivate anti-Musk actions.

Source Context: No specific protest instances are detailed, suggesting a more ideological than operational link.

6/ Planet Over Profit
Description: An environmental activist group critical of corporate power, mentioned in connection with Tesla protests.

Alleged Role: Highlighted in web sources (e.g., The Guardian) as organizing rallies, with a spokesperson, Sophie Shepherd, explicitly stating the goal to "disrupt [Musk’s] business." Not directly tied to ActBlue by Musk but part of the "Tesla Takedown" narrative.

Source Context: Appears in mainstream reporting, indicating active participation, though funding sources are unspecified.

7/ Everyone Hates Elon
Description: A British activist group formed to critique Musk using guerrilla tactics like stickers and hacked ads.

Alleged Role: Organized protests in the UK, targeting Tesla with messages like “Don’t buy a swasticar,” as reported by The Washington Post. Not linked to ActBlue but part of the global anti-Musk protest wave.

Source Context: Smaller scale and UK-focused, with no clear evidence of broader NGO coordination.

8/ Americans for Action
Description: A group of American expatriates in Bristol, UK, raising awareness about U.S. political issues.

Alleged Role: Organized a "Tesla Takedown" protest in Bristol, as per BBC reports, aiming to impact Tesla’s stock and Musk’s funds.

Source Context: Localized effort with no mention of larger NGO backing or ActBlue ties.

Elon Musk: The Tesla CEO shared a video early Monday of economist
Milton Friedman touting free trade and the benefits of importing goods
and reportedly lobbied Trump personally not to impose the tariffs,
The Washington Post reported Monday. He’s also been sparring with
Trump’s top trade adviser Peter Navarro for praising tariffs—most recently
saying Tuesday Navarro is a “moron” who’s “dumber than a sack of bricks”
—and Musk’s brother (and Tesla board member) Kimbal Musk has criticized
the tariffs as a “permanent tax” on Americans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... y-mistake/

wojtek wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 5:40 am Elon Musk: The Tesla CEO shared a video early Monday ...

Trump says "boys will be boys" (via press secretary).

There are many tools to use in trade wars; tariffs, quota restrictions, outright bans, boycotts, subsidies or subsidized credit for exports, exports to third countries where the opponent is a rival.

Just exporting to, while refusing to import from, a particular country could also be considered unfair or aggressive.

Trump and Navarro say just hit every tactic or imbalance against you with tariffs, keep it simple.

Musk on the other hand, who imports many parts into the US for assembly into final products (cars), is not so keen on simply using just tariffs.

Ogee wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:33 pm Trump says "boys will be boys" (via press secretary).

There are many tools to use in trade wars; tariffs, quota restrictions, outright bans, boycotts, subsidies or subsidized credit for exports, exports to third countries where the opponent is a rival.

Just exporting to, while refusing to import from, a particular country could also be considered unfair or aggressive.

Trump and Navarro say just hit every tactic or imbalance against you with tariffs, keep it simple.

Musk on the other hand, who imports many parts into the US for assembly into final products (cars), is not so keen on simply using just tariffs.

Suddenly America has strength again.. we're witnessing history in the making but boy do I feel like it aint over and a civil war is just about to kick off