josi wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:12 pm Thanks, it's really good and very helpful.

Meyney wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:43 pm

nice to see u in a different topic trying new stuffs meyney.............. hello

jimmy & josi both nice discussion & chart example of wrp from josi............ i thinks josi may misinterpret jimmy wording of extreme as guaranteed............ the chaos extreme area is just wehn both slow & fast wrp are at the obos areas from wat i seen in past post but can also be called something else than extreme............... perhaps highly or severe or another synonym

moey_dw wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm nice to see u in a different topic trying new stuffs meyney.............. hello

jimmy & josi both nice discussion & chart example of wrp from josi............ i thinks josi may misinterpret jimmy wording of extreme as guaranteed............ the chaos extreme area is just wehn both slow & fast wrp are at the obos areas from wat i seen in past post but can also be called something else than extreme............... perhaps highly or severe or another synonym

Yes, it's the wording. But "Extreme" Overbought and Oversold zones is fitting, don't you think

The forum has thousands of registered members from all over the world. If everyone expresses their opinions (or trading templates, trading systems), it will be interesting.

太虚一毫 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm The forum has thousands of registered members from all over the world. If everyone expresses their opinions (or trading templates, trading systems), it will be interesting.

Yes, agreed. This is why I always share templates in hopes others can see what I see. It's what I use to wish for when I first started trading, just some sort of downloadable file to get me started.

When others take the time to share their own custom templates, it's very interesting as you get to see what others are looking at. Even if it's not to your taste or looks, it's always helpful.

Some people who always share templates here are ChuChu Rocket, vvFish!

jimmyboy & josi are haos/chaos extremists............

太虚一毫 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 pm The forum has thousands of registered members from all over the world. If everyone expresses their opinions (or trading templates, trading systems), it will be interesting.

Right. When are you going to start sharing your chart templates/setups?

Would like to see that you're uploading some files for the members, too.

moey_dw wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:10 pm jimmyboy & josi are haos/chaos extremists............

quite so - simplify your extremism: what extra information can you get out of (C)Haos that you cannot get from this chart

update: my point being: you are in this buy-trade (grey zone in subwindow) since fast Stoch has crossed 50 (because for some obscure reason you were not stopped out by the retest downwards).
When do you take profit and why (because - in the end - it is not entry but exit that decides whether you have a winning or a losing trade)?
How do (C)Haos-extremes help you in making that decision?

josi wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:35 pm what extra information can you get out of (C)Haos that you cannot get from this chart

hmmm lets see........... chaos & haos is beautiful to looks & intuitive............ but 2 x wpr or stochastics looks shit & may even be repainting

who the hell wanna look at two wpr lines/stoch lines instead of the haos & chaos beauty!!!! but thats me............. kudos to u for simplify it even more!!! but stoch lines do not stand out especially for extreme reversal points or color change slopes etc. etc.

ChuChu Rocket wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:07 pm Right. When are you going to start sharing your chart templates/setups?

Would like to see that you're uploading some files for the members, too.

Say it casually (Google may not translate the true meaning), just for reference:

If everyone is allowed to use only one indicator, then this indicator (probably) is the "Holy Grail" in his mind.

If only one indicator is allowed, I will choose RSI: long above 70 and short below 30. Time period: 5-15 minutes chart.



Regarding the trend reversal or reversal, we first need to define the meaning of reversal.

In my opinion, because time itself is also an indicator (which has the same meaning as other indicators): time (date), time window (non-agricultural, interest meeting and other "exact time" can be classified as time window).

The recommended trading period indicators here are still vertical_time_lines.mq4 and vertical_time_lines4.mq5. These two trading period indicators are meaningless in charts longer than 15 minutes.


For short-term trading, every day (two days at most), there must be one or two trend reversals below the 15-minute chart. Trading time (indicator) should be considered for trading swings, trending trends, and contrarian trends.

Generally speaking, after the opening of the UK, the trend is more likely to reverse. Sometimes this trend will continue until the Asian market closes the next day; sometimes the UK opens to the close of New York, especially for 5-star events such as non-agricultural and interest negotiation meetings. The trend will reverse more than twice.

Therefore, I still regard Haos Visual-averages (divergence + alerts + mtf) as a trend trading indicator rather than a contrarian trading indicator: go long at 0 and go short at 0.


Haos Visual-averages (divergence + alerts + mtf) is the prompt meaning of contrarian trading, which is the trend line or vertical bar, which crosses 0. But there are too many times of crossing 0, it is inevitable that there will be false signals.

Therefore, I will refer to Fractal-channel breakout histo (alerts + arrows), Trend envelopes (averages)-histo-choosable symbol nmc at the same time for the level chart below 15 minutes.

Generally speaking, Fractal-channel breakout histo (alerts + arrows), Trend envelopes (averages)-histo-choosable symbol nmc simultaneously prompted trend reversal signals, which are reliable.

太虚一毫 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:39 pm If only one indicator is allowed, I will choose RSI: long above 70 and short below 30. Time period: 5-15 minutes chart.

Sounds like a totally relaxed strategy (and you don't have to worry about making money):