Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:03 pm Current vision of the situation on gold on the Orbit screenface (continuation of the post post1295527814.html#p1295527814)
The first thing that needs to be said is that despite the very significant pullback, Orbit has not given up on the possibility of a further price drop. This is evidenced by the following elements of the screenface, logically combined into blocks for better understanding...

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Another view is this:

1) Orbit is an Oscillator model of the market and tracks a parabola (check what is a shape of a parabola).
2) It tracks this movement from low to high and from high to low and does so for the entire market at the same time (the market moves as an entity, it is a single point).
3) Partitions are ranges of the same space and have no uniqueness of their own (i.e. no independence from each other and are dependent on each other).
4) Therefore, when when the parabola point is at a low for the whole market it must loop from that low to a high point for the whole market in order to complete a cycle
5) However, in doing so price is non monotonic (moves up and down going up or down) and this is true across all partitions.
6) Each partition has its unique high and low limit (or range) in time and so in say an upward movement if n reaches its top it must "retrace" to a low to return.
7) If this is true for all partitions n - 9n then of course we see why the market is mean reverting across all scales and understand the basis and timing of Pullbacks.
8) But the market fractal is affine which implies trendside moves are longer than pullback moves in time and range.
9) So look at Screenface and all that on it as a number line defined from left to right and a move from market low to market high flips things from left to right.
10) Therefore Price action S ---> M ----> L flips in this order to show what? Intensification. This is step by step because at partition limits we have pullbacks to return.
11) The Command structure (CMD 1) follows this pattern most accurately and so when up like now assures the behaviours above in one direction.
12) We cannot jump to conclusions about the future unless CMD changes and must follow the S-M-L order until a change.
13) For now therefore and given we follow a sequence we must assume this will complete and price will rise until it flips everything the same until L.
14) Logically then in an up movement as now negative higher colours indicate only HISTORY and not anything else as they merely await their turn to be flipped.
15) All new impetus comes from n and limits at 6n (transactions register intraday and any change comes intraday not beyond).
16) We say therefore that price evolves by persistent cyclic trends (accounting for the mean reverting nature of price),
17) So we see why CMD 1 is the most important structure and as long as directed we cannot guess anything about anything until it turns.
18) We also see why zigzags and semaphores do not "repaint" in any sense rather price "repaints" and they track price like a leach (very accurately)
19) So this being so iterative space is also recursive (repeats a fixed pattern in one direction) and you will have several tops in one direction that retrace and return to keep price going until a high inflection point on a parabola leads to a sustained opposite behaviour down.
20) This is a sensible meaning and understanding of Deterministic and therefore no need to fear or worry about sudden or random unexplained change outside of this frame work and why news has no meaning in chaos and is the biggest falsehood ever propagated in trading leading traders to live in the slavery and fear of news making fundamentally (mathematically), silly analysis about things that do not exist. So again from left to right and nothing stops the movement and hence the pattern until CMD changes. Higher opposite colours when lower colours change predict nothing and merely reflect historical track (though sometimes and due time they appear predictive when due range limits in partitions price for instance in this case falls before they change but that is rare and we have no means of being correct as to timing. More usually however, price will persist and change the higher colours to retrace within that change and hence you hear me say in-phase pullback, e.g. L will change and there may be no major retrace until it does, rather the retrace may come just after the change).
21) The above is a long list of things but I hope they can be remembered for use in the analysis of screenface. That market and chaos is just so complex that there is no way I can explain things to cover everything possible at once. But this is a start. The math and the new words it brings to us are so critical to understand in helping us read evolution e.g. persistent cyclic trend, mean reversion, cyclicality or aperiodic cyclicality, phase, etc and etc. The concepts are therefore more important than our instincts in guessing them or at least we need to make an effort in understanding their means academically to observe them in space before we can become more adept at guessing them because they are real and actual behaviours that are more or less fixed in form and will keep repeating in this way as long as markets are traded.

But great work @ImpLaNT and kudos. Now see if you can refit your thinking with mine (does not have to be in a day or even 5 but as you "get it"). In any case the hope is that you and others are stimulated to see my meanings and that this helps in reading screenface dynamically but of course this is not a complete coverage and you will make other observations yourself which will be very much valid to your understanding and ability in entering and holding traders in direction. But most important to recall always that CMD 1 is the key to cyclic behaviour.

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PS: Keep in mind the notion of a number line. Everything flips (reverses) left to right subject to the fact of partition limits and hence oddly timed mean reversions at different scales per event. It is this structure that makes the market appear random and it is not reaction or anything to news (the "technical" and "fundamental" view on news is just a stupid scarecrow that has been and remains bane of trading and getting out of that mindset is too, too difficult because even me that knows this for a fact I am still a bit distrustful of what I read around major events). Get that out of your head and trust Orbit 100% and your income MUST multiply over time by a hell of a lot. You can see maybe why I am so harsh toward "technical" and "fundamental" rubbish. They cost me and you money and have no basis whatsoever when things are understood mathematically.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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@regit I am sorry I went overboard with you yesterday I simply lost it when I saw what the effect of your constant protests and snide remarks etc were having on the thread. I know you are not the same as the other disruptive goons come to send us all away and you sincerely feel wronged somehow. But I feel more wronged by you and justifiably so because real things happened between us. But we are all grown ups and frankly it may not be your philosophy but others are more important to me than me to myself (odd and crazy and usually thought of as stupid but that is me), and so what I am doing here is really important to me and even though people come around to insult me and think I am a fool for being free with my truths I care little for that. At 66 what do I care for myself? In a year or two I would be dead but so what we will all die but what did I leave behind? How did I help in the time I had? Is it to leave millions to just the family I will leave behind or a better, safer place for them? Those are the issues for me and that is why I get extremely mad at people who do not get me and think I am at their level of selfishness and that they can therefore equate my aims to theirs. I have no more time and I swear anyone coming around me to disrupt the little I have will get it from me period. So join the fray whether or not you trade Orbit (which I know you understand better than many and that you are fascinated by it and the science behind it). Look at @ImpLaNT and I did we not have a public spat right here? Would anyone know that this day? I doubt it. I got no time for stupid so relax and join up. Of course I owe you no apologies whatsoever because you (to my mind) started this and you may feel the same. But that is beside the point. The general benefit of others is far more important than you or I soon to be forgotten after our passing. But understand me more from Plato's Pythagoras and Meno and what looks stupid to you (you keep your MA based system as much a secret as the USA keeps its nuclear codes a secret), makes a lot of sense to me and this is well explained in the economics definition of the notion of utility. But if you cannot bring yourself to the points I make then go in peace and I wish you well.

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Darkdoji wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:36 pm Another view is this:
Dear Doji... Thank you for such a thoughtful comment on my post. I think that it is precisely such detailed conversations that are very useful to all users of the thread, both old and especially newbies, because they provide the opportunity first-hand (yours) as a developer to obtain the only correct knowledge, and not their own guesses, which are difficult to change later.
Yes, I absolutely clearly understand the main point - Orbit is an oscillator. And its essence is to display the current stage of the market at each specific moment in time, but in no case is it a forecasting tool. As you clearly put it, it shows the present and the past, but not the future, because in the future its readings will be what the future price movement makes them.
The last picture of my post, where I showed the alleged downward direction with a large yellow arrow, is not a forecast in which I say that this will definitely happen. I mean, thinking from the point of view that this page of history has not yet been turned by the price (that is, the higher elements of the screenface are still looking down), I think of it this way - the market has not yet forgotten this history of the fall and may well return to it and continue that cycle. This is exactly what I thought when I drew this yellow arrow. If the price goes higher and we get a completely homogeneous green screen, this will mean that the previous history of the fall has been forgotten by the market and it will definitely not return to it, and it will end the new current cycle of upward movement. Please answer... is this line of thinking correct and can a trader interpret the historical data provided by the screenface in this way for an unambiguous understanding of the current phase of price movement?
Special thanks for clarifying the concept of in-phase pullback...
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 pm Dear Doji... Thank you for such a thoughtful comment on my post. I think that it is precisely such detailed conversations that are very useful to all users of the thread, both old and especially newbies, because they provide the opportunity first-hand (yours) as a developer to obtain the only correct knowledge, and not their own guesses, which are difficult to change later.
Yes, I absolutely clearly understand the main point - Orbit is an oscillator. And its essence is to display the current stage of the market at each specific moment in time, but in no case is it a forecasting tool. As you clearly put it, it shows the present and the past, but not the future, because in the future its readings will be what the future price movement makes them.
The last picture of my post, where I showed the alleged downward direction with a large yellow arrow, is not a forecast in which I say that this will definitely happen. I mean, thinking from the point of view that this page of history has not yet been turned by the price (that is, the higher elements of the screenface are still looking down), I think of it this way - the market has not yet forgotten this history of the fall and may well return to it and continue that cycle. This is exactly what I thought when I drew this yellow arrow. If the price goes higher and we get a completely homogeneous green screen, this will mean that the previous history of the fall has been forgotten by the market and it will definitely not return to it, and it will end the new current cycle of upward movement. Please answer... is this line of thinking correct and can a trader interpret the historical data provided by the screenface in this way for an unambiguous understanding of the current phase of price movement?
Special thanks for clarifying the concept of in-phase pullback...
Yes absolutely correct. Because it all depends on CMD1 and how far it goes against history so you are absolutely right. If it erases all the past history then of course new things like new highs or lows in the entire market. But if it stops short and turns then of course we back to the old trend. My point was not that you were wrong NO. But to say do not worry about it and or may be allow it influence current decisions and expectations. This means focus on Current command 1 and read how strong it might be against history as it can change past history and bring a new beginning. The other point to keep in mind is that so therefore you are very safe trading direction confidently and if you make errors in entry do not panic if the "error" is in line with CMD1 as it can only correct back to trend in the near future and things like that. Cheers and real nice the effort you put for yourself and others. Keep it up (because you can see and not boasting we can make money this way all of us).

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PS: This is also why entry should be far less stressful with Orbit because in theory you can only lose once and that is at the turn of CMD 1 and only if you are wrong in direction. But even that so what? You lose that once and see that in fact CMD 1 has changed you simply jam the space with two or three orders in the right direction recover and multiply your stake. It is crazy simple and look at history it has NEVER FAILED.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Once people understand the effect of the mathematics is real in the space @ImpLaNT the rest is simple logical behaviour on the part of the trader. So it changes behaviour especially the news thing. Have you ever seen price turn at news when price has not reached its limit? No NEVER WILL because it has no such influence. But will turn only if price is already at amplitude and if not no matter how significant the news will retrace and persist as for prevailing CMD 1. But you and I are so poorly and badly trained by "technicals" and "fundamentals" we are pissing in our pants each time there is news thinking wrongly we cannot handle it. But with Orbit we can 100/100 times with just a little common sense. The math is so true it is not funny.

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PS: Point never turns mid way or suddenly it follows CMD 1 exactly so why fear anything and if for whatever reason you misread you can recover which says therefore relax Orbit has got your back.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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So you see @ImpLaNT I was NEVER bragging about 100/100 times correct Orbit (for myself) I WAS MERELY TRYING TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO FEEL RELAXED ABOUT THE MARKET. Which is why I become raving mad at morons who are not 1/10 as educated as me bringing in their stupid gutter sense trying to question my assertions with their coy and stupid questions and even making me regret my efforts. But clearly now things look different and all I know now is everyone is starting to get it so logically such misfits and the undead get weaker and we get stronger.

(_-_) Happy

PS: It took over ten years of work for me to know and translate this knowledge into an actual model that works. But after knowing why should anyone lose to ignorance of the same facts. WHY?
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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For those who may not know THE NUMBER LINE IS 1, 2, 3, 4,..........TO INFINITY. Which simply means things increase from left to right and decrease from right to left. Pictures of a parabola can be googled as can the meaning of deterministic, aperiodic cyclicality, Chaos, fractals etc and good to find stuff like that out for self so your mindset changes. For example, we see charts and think price bars ----------------> but in fact that is nonsense there are no bars in the market they represent the movement of a single point shaped in a certain way for convenience and are therefore apophenic to a large degree. The actual behaviour of price is that of a single point bounced about in bounded space. But think how life is funny ---------------> there are whole schools of thought around candlestick behaviour and yet that is not reality at all. So you see perception also matters and so when I tell people "technical" analysis is moronic some want me dead. But are they correct? No they are simply ignorant of the facts. Besides I never look at the market as candle sticks but as a single point bouncing about bounded space. How can I do that when it is not presented so for us to see? A) I use Semaphores and B) My imagination from what I have learnt about chaos to compensate for the rest. I think people should use their imaginations too because if you get stuck with only the false picture your mind cannot crossover to the reality easily and that also affects understanding.

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Is there a way y’all can go over what each meaning mean and the color as well. Like for example
Term trade mean this
N-2 mean short term , N2-N6 mean medium term, N7-N9 mean long term
N- goes from closed to open mean entry can be taken
What exactly does the colors mean

If you do this for everyone we can know exactly what everything mean and can help with learning orbit better .

Yes we have the manuals but majority of them are using diagrams and math equations and soemone that may not know math may not interpret it correctly
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