Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Ikeyoung27 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:47 am Is there a way y’all can go over what each meaning mean and the color as well. Like for example
Term trade mean this
N-2 mean short term , N2-N6 mean medium term, N7-N9 mean long term
N- goes from closed to open mean entry can be taken
What exactly does the colors mean

If you do this for everyone we can know exactly what everything mean and can help with learning orbit better .

Yes we have the manuals but majority of them are using diagrams and math equations and soemone that may not know math may not interpret it correctly

Hi,
Basic reading of the chart live
Fractal patterns circles. 6n is green indicating market is uptrend. 1n-5n red pullback against 6n.
KSO 3-7n remain on top row awaiting a return up.
Range and Price Dynamics pointing up.
Term trades 2, 3, 4,and 6n orange open also indicating market up. 5n is closed meaning FLE/ranging because of pullback.
As we are in an uptrend and we could have a deep pullback or a shallow one the ups are always larger.
TT + Cy had the down trade, not very far and it has been a horrible market today so far.
So at the moment you are looking for buys.
Think of TT n purple open, Cy n red and Orbit spot as holding you out of the market rather than still indicating a further down trade.
I have pending orders on which I will manage as the day goes on or cancel but we have a green semafor on the 4 hour chart at a previous MRI line which should be the bottom.
First indication of an up move again is TT n going to closed and Cy turning green with Orbit spot up. Confirmed trade is n changing back to orange and open.
Hope you can work that out.
Darkdoji is going to post new stuff so may be easier to see.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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One thing is also look at the reality before you look at Screenface as your head is the main indicator more than anything else once you understand how the market works per chaos, and know everything is a tight well organized pattern (fractal) simply only presented knowledgably by Orbit the Tool. Do not give up your right of leadership in thought to any indicator. Indicators do not know as much as you know once you know. The market is shaping them according to fixed rules and they shape or tell you nothing that your mind cannot qualify on judgement. What am I talking about? Look at the screenshot and look at the MRI can you see how exact the market is? Since the trend began can you see how clearly the MRI marks out the pullback limits? These are the things you notice and turn to your advantage on Orbit Screenface and so do not just look to signals to lead you. You must have things like this in your head to form expectations and judge movement so that with time you calmly express control - Total Control. Man is the master given the mind allowed by God. Do not let indicators control you.

(-_-)

PS: Yes they are not correct to measure but they are exactly correct topologically (e.g. Semaphore ranks for the initial values at return points in the pullback points you see in FLE). There are many things like that in space the way I set things up. But it is for you to take advantage because after a point you are on your own and no one can tell you or help you anything more than your mind can tell you. FOR INSTANCE i WILL EXPECT A BOUNCE POINT IN THE CURRENT PULLBACK AROUND 1975 GIVE OR TAKE AND IF ARROUND THAT POINT I DO NOT SEE AGREEMENT I WILL CHECK TO SEE WHY NOT AND PREPARE TO TAKE WHATEVER CORRECTIVE ACTION IS NEEDED IN MY POSITION. BUT IN THIS CASE I WOULD BE SUPRISED IF THINGS DO NOT GO AS BEFORE AS I EXPECT THAT THEY SHOULD.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Dave111 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:20 am Hi,
Basic reading of the chart live
Fractal patterns circles. 6n is green indicating market is uptrend. 1n-5n red pullback against 6n.
KSO 3-7n remain on top row awaiting a return up.
Range and Price Dynamics pointing up.
Term trades 2, 3, 4,and 6n orange open also indicating market up. 5n is closed meaning FLE/ranging because of pullback.
As we are in an uptrend and we could have a deep pullback or a shallow one the ups are always larger.
TT + Cy had the down trade, not very far and it has been a horrible market today so far.
So at the moment you are looking for buys.
Think of TT n purple open, Cy n red and Orbit spot as holding you out of the market rather than still indicating a further down trade.
I have pending orders on which I will manage as the day goes on or cancel but we have a green semafor on the 4 hour chart at a previous MRI line which should be the bottom.
First indication of an up move again is TT n going to closed and Cy turning green with Orbit spot up. Confirmed trade is n changing back to orange and open.
Hope you can work that out.
Darkdoji is going to post new stuff so may be easier to see.
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Dave111

Thanks I think i understand it a lil better .
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:32 pm Dear Doji...
Special thanks for clarifying the concept of in-phase pullback...
Sorry missed this initially. In-phase means simply the sort of pullback we see here post1295528042.html#p1295528042. But for instance at higher scale say H4, D1 or WK in the case of a pullback after say L Price Action Arrow is flipped (in the context I used the term). So nothing complex. But in-phase because the phase is persistent or continuing and the pullback is more like a recoil or fetch and return move. So that you can always expect it to return to trend and actually allows for joining the trend. I hope that helps (its all about mean-reversion really and sometimes you can see and isolate the pullback to some time frame and therefore associate the scale of the reversion to that TF).

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PS: In-Phase because price remains in direction so market is just breathing and at no time is direction threatened.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Darkdoji wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:22 am
PS: Yes they are not correct to measure but thee exactly correct topologically (e.g. Semaphore ranks for the initial values at return points in the pullback points you see in FLE). There are many things like that in space the way I set things up. But it is for you to take advantage because after a point you are on your own and no one can tell you or help you anything more than your mind can tell you. FOR INSTANCE i WILL EXPECT A BOUNCE POINT IN THE CURRENT PULLBACK AROUND 1975 GIVE OR TAKE AND IF ARROUND THAT POINT I DO NOT SEE AGREEMENT I WILL CHECK TO SEE WHY NOT AND PREPARE TO TAKE WHATEVER CORRECTIVE ACTION IS NEEDED IN MY POSITION. BUT IN THIS CASE I WOULD BE SUPRISED IF THINGS DO NOT GO AS BEFORE AS I EXPECT THAT THEY SHOULD.
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Why is 1975 important at that time in the week? The screenshot is from late Friday and at Monday the mri lines will show a different picture because of a fresh calculation.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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@Ikeyoung27, @ForexFux, and other new members of thread, it’s very nice to see interested people on this forum who want to understand the essence of Orbit. It’s very good that you came here, because your determination and very hard mental work (if you put it in) will be rewarded multiple times, because in your hands and head, as a result, you will have the only true knowledge with which you can live your life in in whatever capacity you want, the question of money will no longer stand before you and interest you, at least as long as financial markets will exist in the form in which they exist now. Agree, it's worth it...
And these are not some pompous words, or defamations towards Doji, as the creator of this approach - this is just a banal statement of fact.
As you have already seen, this approach and its creator have detractors who claim that everything Doji talks about is complete nonsense and Orbit itself is worthless. And this is not at all because they are opponents or enemies of Doji, far from it. The fact is that this Snitch never opened in front of them (and it opens at the end...). In one of my posts, I talked about the lobotomy that you should do to yourself in order to knock out from your brain a lot of unnecessary “knowledge” that you acquired along the way of becoming a trader. The shorter this path was, the easier it will be for you here because relearning is always much harder than learning. I think that I was lucky to some extent because during my long journey as a trader I always gravitated toward the so-called swing trading, that is, trading from high to low and vice versa, and this is exactly the method that Doji mainly professes here . In the process of my work, creating my templates, I subconsciously came to the idea that there is a certain space in which the price exists and in order to find extremes of the price function (fractures, as Doji calls them), I need to find some way to divide this space. The solution came unexpectedly from where I did not expect it to come at all. But nevertheless, what I was able to do was obtained empirically, that is, through observation and selection. Now I am sure that the existence of my solution and approach is justified by nothing other than the fractal nature of the market, which Doji constantly talks about here. That is, in some very basic part we are singular with Doji, but he is the first who was able to give a scientific mathematical justification for the hypothesis, the first who developed a whole scientific (in my opinion) approach from this hypothesis, and moreover, he was able to implement this in a tool, which made it widely available.
Think about how beautiful the hypothesis is about representing the price as a certain single point moving in price space in time, fluctuating around the average level. And it was precisely this representation of price movement that paved this invisible bridge that connected the price chart with the mathematics of chaos, and Doji was the first who build this bridge. In this theory there is no place for such concepts as trend, timeframe or price bar, but here we constantly use these words and concepts only because we have long been accustomed to them and understand what they mean. There is only a single point - the current moment (value) of the price, which constantly undergoes changes and thereby acquires movement in space. Its these fluctuations that the Orbit screenface shows you. The deviation of a single point from the average value, which is calculated based on previous data of this point movement (historical price data). If this point fluctuates without moving far from the line of the average value, we are talking about near space (n-2n) - essentially these are small pullbacks, more significant deviations (3n-6n) are significant pullbacks caused by a significant stretching of space (the point deviates quite far from the center line, but the main dynamics (direction) of its movement is still preserved), 7n-9n - if the deviation of the point affected the partitions 7n-9n, then the point has deviated so much that it has begun to pave a new space (deep space), which indicates a complete change current dynamics (change in direction of movement) and now the point will no longer return to its old middle line; on the contrary, the middle line will begin to move towards the point that left it due to new values of the price moment (a very strong stretching of space).
Further, Doji was able to transfer the concept of a strange attractor (the path along which a single point moves chaotically) from theoretical mathematics to practical price charts. He was able to define and present the structure of the attractor on charts, which is a three-legged pendulum, in the middle of which there is a folding stage of the price space, or as it is called here the “saddle” (FLE).
I find it very useful that on the forum there are people like Dave111, who are old-timers in this topic and have taken on the function of practical mentors. In this way, a certain structure is formed, similar to a university, where the professor gives lectures, and practical teachers show the practical application of the theoretical part.
Why did I write all this? So that everyone who ends up here understands in the end what and who you are dealing with here. You are dealing with a completely new approach to trading, the first approach in history unambiguously based on theoretical mathematics, and therefore the first in history a correct scientific and not an empirical approach. And this gives me the right to claim that this is true knowledge, which can only be one by definition. And everyone who knows about Orbit was here and for some reason refused to understand and study it - they simply abandoned the knowledge that gives its owners what you are all here for - the skill of impeccable trading. But refusal, just like hard work, is a voluntary choice of every person.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Regarding trading...
On Friday I sold gold sometime early in the US session at 1984.50. This sale is not covered by the risk-free space, that is, I realize that I am trading a pullback against the main movement and, accordingly, bear risks in this trade. At the moment, as you can see from the picture n-2n, KSO has moved to the bottom line, telling us that the lower limit of the near space has been reached and the price, in principle, can continue to move upward. But I believe that we will be dealing with a deeper pullback (n-6n) and that is why I took the risk of trading it. I will in no way argue or contradict the professor, but I see the 1968 level as a possible target, although as he said before, 1975 is also very strong.
Pay attention to the Ordinals... The short and medium term both show a pullback downward, while the long term indicates a clear downward move. The L-Ordinal reacts so sensitively to the slightest downward pullback due to the fact that the market is very overheated by this sharp upward surge and it is already very close to running out of steam.
These are my expectations. I hope that another war or something like that won’t break out over the weekend, which will significantly raise the price of gold. Once again, this is a trade “against the grain” and therefore I bear all responsibility for it for myself and in no case Orbit.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:12 pm Regarding trading...
On Friday I sold gold sometime early in the US session at 1984.50. This sale is not covered by the risk-free space, that is, I realize that I am trading a pullback against the main movement and, accordingly, bear risks in this trade. At the moment, as you can see from the picture n-2n, KSO has moved to the bottom line, telling us that the lower limit of the near space has been reached and the price, in principle, can continue to move upward. But I believe that we will be dealing with a deeper pullback (n-6n) and that is why I took the risk of trading it. I will in no way argue or contradict the professor, but I see the 1968 level as a possible target, although as he said before, 1975 is also very strong.
Pay attention to the Ordinals... The short and medium term both show a pullback downward, while the long term indicates a clear downward move. The L-Ordinal reacts so sensitively to the slightest downward pullback due to the fact that the market is very overheated by this sharp upward surge and it is already very close to running out of steam.
These are my expectations. I hope that another war or something like that won’t break out over the weekend, which will significantly raise the price of gold. Once again, this is a trade “against the grain” and therefore I bear all responsibility for it for myself and in no case Orbit.

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Thanks for your great post 2073, I agree with everything said.
With regard to this post and the question from ForexFux, did you notice that Initial Value and the two long term Orbit arrows (secret and top) on Friday, all changed to up for a very short time. As Orbit IS the market, this could have been the very erratic reaction on the small timeframes to this fact that we are at decision time for Gold. If it falls too far then we may continue the previous down trend but if it goes up then the changes will come into effect. The Monthly 9n global fractal green might be the play with a lot of room to the upside.
Of course we only need to follow the market with Orbit so I am very interested to see how this plays out and it is just another observation made as more and more things are revealed.

Davie
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Dave111 wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:18 pm
Yes, I noticed a short-term change in Orbit Arrow to an ascending light green color, but at the same time I did not see Main Arrow and Initial Value change their direction. Maybe I didn't notice this moment. But in any case, you are right, we are somewhere on the very border of a complete abolition of the downward cycle. Either we will return to it, at least in the form of a deep pullback, or we will fly upward into absolutely open space. It seems to me that the first option is most likely.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:28 am Yes, I noticed a short-term change in Orbit Arrow to an ascending light green color, but at the same time I did not see Main Arrow and Initial Value change their direction. Maybe I didn't notice this moment. But in any case, you are right, we are somewhere on the very border of a complete abolition of the downward cycle. Either we will return to it, at least in the form of a deep pullback, or we will fly upward into absolutely open space. It seems to me that the first option is most likely.
I have noticed a lot when n starts changing, then something is going to happen so a change with Initial Value could be a start of a proper new trend up. Maybe not in this case, but its fun thinking about it.
No matter what happens there are plenty of trades any direction, not really into the longer term stuff yet like Samm.
But maybe the new update things he is working on will blow us out the water anyway :-)
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