Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Dave111 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:57 am Samm,
Did you notice ImpLaNT was asking me about my trades, not regit.
I did mess up a bit as the market was undecided this morning which Orbit shows us, so was a bit reluctant to buy after the news this time. I did get a small profit though later.
Point to point trades as mentioned a few days ago has played out so just need some more work dealing with pullbacks without riding them out.
Hopefully the new info you created will help everyone.

Davie
Frankly, I did not I have just been holding back on these idiots when I saw this I won, I won thing, flash and then saw @Implants post I assumed he was responding to the animal. In any case thanks for pointing it out but I keep every word I said to that terrible creature. I will sign out now and return to my work. You know I trade, write, read the thread and deal with domestic conditions so sometimes things can get mixed up. I really wish everyone can just ignore these goons and LET US TRADE the visitors are very unhappy and have no voice. Will sign out now ------------> Sorry. YES WILL HELP EVERYONE FOR SURE.

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PS: Apologies @ImpLaNT
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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regit wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:50 am I really don't care about competing. Consider that it has been repeated over-and-over that no INDICATOR based system can ever give long-term success because it is based on a stochastic model and not a deterministic model, let alone "100/100" success. And when I suggested that it can, there was a melt down, like a 3-year having a tantrum, and demand to show trades. I was not the one concerned with "I'm the best"--that came from an egotistical (Can the "N" word be used in this forum?? I will risk it . . ) NARCISSIST! Be careful what you ask for: Actions have consequences . . .
The question is why you have such a hard time to come over it? Nobody knows everything. Are insults and claims from a person you will never personally know in an anonymous forum so hard to swallow that you have to clutter the thread with off topic stuff?
regit wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:50 am It's really amusing how you are so upset that I posted information that was DEMANDED of me, including a "real time" trade that was running during the time that I posted a capture of my indicators along with an explanation of my thought process. And subsequently, I made an addendum and further explained the logic on the swings on the left side of the chart. THAT is the underlying basis of the entire system! How many "objects" on the screenface do you need to consult and how long does it take you to reach some kind of decision about the current state? How long do you think that it takes to examine 4 colored lines on a series of timeframes to reach some kind of decision about the current state? (And after making the initial examination at the start of the day, several of the TFs don't even have to be displayed anymore.) Price bars don't even need to be displayed. In fact, they clutter the analysis.

I COULD request someone who is familiar with my work to vouch for it. But 1.) I would not put this person in that position and 2.) it is not likely anyone would believe what is stated.
Nearly all successful retail traders trade at max 1 to 2 times a day some only 1 to 2 times a week. I have seen the statistics a while ago. Nothing wrong with waiting for A+ set-ups. High frequency trading is for automated systems which are coded by quants for banks. I don't say it's impossible and when you can do it that's good for you, but that's usually not the way to go for a normal retail trader.

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ForexFux wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:01 am Nearly all successful retail traders trade at max 1 to 2 times a day some only 1 to 2 times a week. I have seen the statistics a while ago. Nothing wrong with waiting for A+ set-ups. High frequency trading is for automated systems which are coded by quants for banks. I don't say it's impossible and when you can do it that's good for you, but that's usually not the way to go for a normal retail trader.
Considering that if you check broker sites it is found that about 70-85% of their traders, which are assumed to be mainly retail traders, lose thier accounts, THAT would be the way it goes for a "normal reatail trader". So it seems that I am by no means a normal retail trader. And similarly, I am not a "normal successful" retail trader, either.

How did you get high-frequency trading into the discussion? HFT operates over timeframes of LESS than a single second for most trades, and the bulk of those systems rely on an arbitrage model.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Looky here, from MAY:
I do not believe you can post screen captures with any winning trades at all.
never been curious about that supposed "profitable" "system" but now I am and I say ignore the tool --------------------> Show us snaps of your "system,"

in a forum of traders to stand tall you got to be a trader better than the one you seek to put down.
Guess who unleashed that tirade?

Looks like that author/"trader" is standing really SMALL since my reply.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:02 am Did you buy gold before the news??

Took my eye off the ball today, small profit after Orbit pointed us in the right direction and I had posted as well. (bad )
Timetraveler/ Whitedoji sends his regards to you and we've to keep up the good work.

Davie
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Dave111 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:38 am Took my eye off the ball today, small profit after Orbit pointed us in the right direction and I had posted as well. (bad )
Timetraveler/ Whitedoji sends his regards to you and we've to keep up the good work.

Davie
Was not your fault was a tricky range and got tricky from yesterday.

1) Cy = TTc from yesterday and at some points in time actually Cy = TTo but closed on the former equality. That is unusual since n - 5n had Cy = TTo by the same close.

2) What was the problem with the above? It caused doubt because had Cy = TTo then CMD 1 would have = green and we would have all known Risk-Free space. But we closed on the latter implying the Intraday Cycle failed to break into far space which then implied we closed still in a pullback up that had virtually exhausted therefore one could only conclude if it was not going up then the likelihood of continuation in the downtrend was pretty high, yet movement down remained sluggish and the turn up from low around news time was far from impressive and so I was in the same boat as you and @ImpLaNT.

3) For me I had taken out my assumed long last night or so (cannot recall) and entered short to the whitehead low which persisted even to the morning so was not sure whether we were going up or down eventually i.e. before the news. But here is the difference i) n - 5n were trading in far space already heading to the release or news or whatever everyone was watching which I was not because there is nothing like news in chaos as it is chaos not news that defines the market (I understand this fact will take time for people to understand and accept - but news has no influence whatsoever on chaos that is why we are said to trade a deterministic system uninfluenced by exogenous factors, ii) so my advantage over both of you was I was not distracted or concerned about the news or whatever it was distracting everyone around that time, rather I was watching FP. But that is not to say I was any more sure than you were since FP was in a pullback mode that did not clear up until may be the news. But once nSign came up I knew the market had sold us a dummy and that in fact 6n (the intraday cycle was going to break into far space on the momentum from nSign on), so my reaction must have been quicker and surer than you both. Secondly, point to point means H4 or 6n low to high or high to low and we were trading low to high and the high whitehead only emerged at close to the prior top but so close I did not see the difference as significant so was not scared at that point I would be whipsawed, so I held my long (even when the whitehead started getting sort of funny with intermittency around it). Then of course came the rush which outside of entry earlier would have been too fast for any trader including me to have traded effectively at that point in time. But I was already in so for me no problem. But was tricky because usually for a reversal such as we now have the market should have let us know earlier but it chose not to and caused much confusion about direction (compounded by the fact that we are all weaned on the false notion that "news" drives markets. If it did we would not have chaos but randomness in markets.

4) So was not easy and though price never makes it easy Orbit helps more than it did today in letting us know but since price was not saying until late Orbit said when it was true. I would blame no one we do not guess the market we follow Orbit and the market was "late" to tell Orbit so it was always going to be tough for us because tradability was degraded by the point of clarity due incredibly fast translation speeds. Only may be to keep in mind is to ignore outside effects as news does not redirect chaos given chaos is chaos. Nonetheless, was a tough range to trade relatively. But we are now in positive iterative space which means buy lows and expect them to translate higher until we get a pullback or reversal again. Price is not random means it is safe to trade the facts of the command structure, from this point on at least and not second guess it or introduce error via considerations of influences of news, etc those are scarecrows largely (and I say largely because you can still can have large fluctuants at news time but those MUST return to space to trend so only risk is large but very, very short-term drawdowns).

Cheers man - we say in Nigeria "everyday is not Christmas" but we will tackle some of these in the article ahead.

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Darkdoji wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:16 am Was not your fault was a tricky range and got tricky from yesterday.

1) Cy = TTc from yesterday and at some points in time actually Cy = TTo but closed on the former equality. That is unusual since n - 5n had Cy = TTo by the same close.

2) What was the problem with the above? It caused doubt because had Cy = TTo then CMD 1 would have = green and we would have all known Risk-Free space. But we closed on the latter implying the Intraday Cycle failed to break into far space which then implied we closed still in a pullback up that had virtually exhausted therefore one could only conclude if it was not going up then the likelihood of continuation in the downtrend was pretty high, yet movement down remained sluggish and the turn up from low around news time was far from impressive and so I was in the same boat as you and @ImpLaNT.

3) For me I had taken out my assumed long last night or so (cannot recall) and entered short to the whitehead low which persisted even to the morning so was not sure whether we were going up or down eventually i.e. before the news. But here is the difference i) n - 5n were trading in far space already heading to the release or news or whatever everyone was watching which I was not because there is nothing like news in chaos as it is chaos not news that defines the market (I understand this fact will take time for people to understand and accept - but news has no influence whatsoever on chaos that is why we are said to trade a deterministic system uninfluenced by exogenous factors, ii) so my advantage over both of you was I was not distracted or concerned about the news or whatever it was distracting everyone around that time, rather I was watching FP. But that is not to say I was any more sure than you were since FP was in a pullback mode that did not clear up until may be the news. But once nSign came up I knew the market had sold us a dummy and that in fact 6n (the intraday cycle was going to break into far space on the momentum from nSign on), so my reaction must have been quicker and surer than you both. Secondly, point to point means H4 or 6n low to high or high to low and we were trading low to high and the high whitehead only emerged at close to the prior top but so close I did not see the difference as significant so was not scared at that point I would be whipsawed, so I held my long (even when the whitehead started getting sort of funny with intermittency around it). Then of course came the rush which outside of entry earlier would have been too fast for any trader including me to have traded effectively at that point in time. But I was already in so for me no problem. But was tricky because usually for a reversal such as we now have the market should have let us know earlier but it chose not to and caused much confusion about direction (compounded by the fact that we are all weaned on the false notion that "news" drives markets. If it did we would not have chaos but randomness in markets.

4) So was not easy and though price never makes it easy Orbit helps more than it did today in letting us know but since price was not saying until late Orbit said when it was true. I would blame no one we do not guess the market we follow Orbit and the market was "late" to tell Orbit so it was always going to be tough for us because tradability was degraded by the point of clarity due incredibly fast translation speeds. Only may be to keep in mind is to ignore outside effects as news does not redirect chaos given chaos is chaos. Nonetheless, was a tough range to trade relatively. But we are now in positive iterative space which means buy lows and expect them to translate higher until we get a pullback or reversal again. Price is not random means it is safe to trade the facts of the command structure, from this point on at least and not second guess it or introduce error via considerations of influences of news, etc those are scarecrows largely (and I say largely because you can still can have large fluctuants at news time but those MUST return to space to trend so only risk is large but very, very short-term drawdowns).

Cheers man - we say in Nigeria "everyday is not Christmas" but we will tackle some of these in the article ahead.

(-_-)

Thanks for this Samm,
Since your last update and manual is really when everything has come together for me, which is only in the last two weeks, but all of a sudden its like being part of the market watching Orbit you will know what I mean.
You get to see things like the market showing signs that it is thinking of turning, TTn closing then as it has a final effort at the previous trend to trap traders by flipping to open again which it does as it tracks price, I am very wary of falling for this. Same happened London morning session, which was even more dull than usual, so I was in a sell (NOT a full n open down ) maybe expecting another pullback to complete Y2 to Y2 before returning up again. As you can see this worked out well with other pullbacks at the beginning of the week which I posted screenshots of but although I still made a profit, I did find the market tricky until it made a genuine breakout up.
So still a lot to observe yet, but could be nerves as well because I am not used to winning and keeping pips for very long :-)
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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I wish I can understand the terminology of what y’all are saying . But I was also able to make small profits today using orbit as well. I did lose one trade today trying to scalp but I went against orbit thinking to try to trade a short term pull back and got nailed for it . But was able to make that back the following 2 trades . So using orbit correctly I’m 100% . Last 2 days trading I have won 5/6 trades
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Current vision of the situation on gold on the Orbit screenface (continuation of the post post1295527814.html#p1295527814)
The first thing that needs to be said is that despite the very significant pullback, Orbit has not given up on the possibility of a further price drop. This is evidenced by the following elements of the screenface, logically combined into blocks for better understanding...

1 - The direction and yellow color of the Main Arrow, Spike Event Arrow, Initial Value - all are directed downwards and indicate a continuation of the fall from the level of 2009.31
2 - The readings of block 1 are based on the current state of the Price Action section, from which it can be seen that in the long term we see a purple icon on the parabola, the arrows inside of which point to a downward reversal. Orbit Voice speaks about the same thing “Rotation Low - direction Y---->X" (that is, down) and the same is indicated by the long term Ordinal, and note that it is also red. That is, this entire block shows a clear downward reversal
3 - 8n partitions in the Fractal Patterns section continue to clearly indicate the downward direction, which is duplicated by the Orbit Arrow, the same partition on the KSO also continues to express a desire to move to the bottom line.
4 - Although the Power Icon has a yellow color (the most positive), the red numbers tell us that not everything is so simple, namely - pay attention to the gray elements indicated by exclamation marks. Both of them say that the market is uncertain (Gray market), there is no singularity of flows (younger partitions look confidently upward, while older ones look downward). The absence of singularity leads to this appearance of Power Icon, when the color of the icon contradicts the color of the value.

Now let's look at the upward movement (which Orbit says is still a pullback). Here we see complete agreement between all sections.
1 - Price Dynamics - Both arrows in the same direction up
2 - TT n-7n are orange and open upward, which is also reflected in the Cyclicality section, where all the partitions are clearly green. But pay attention to the fact that, as I said earlier, n-7n are partitions of the pullback, 8n-9n are partitions of the main trend. And we see that it is in this place that the fault is occurring at the moment, as evidenced by the Orbit Arrow, which shows us a purple downward arrow throughout this upward pullback.
3 - in the short and medium term (and this is where we are now), the Price Action and Ordinals section show a pure upward movement, which is also confirmed in the Fractal Patterns and Range Arrow section (4 , 5)
6 - Pay attention to KSO... n-7n in the top line and gradually began to turn orange, which indicates that the next upward throw, started yesterday, is in the process of completion. Will this be the last throw followed by a downward reversal?

Now let's look at the daily chart... Based on the above, at the moment Orbit offers us this scenario. Whether we have already reached the maximum of the upward pullback, or whether there will be an attempt to go higher and get the top 7n Y(2) (but for this we need to get to about 1998), time will tell...
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