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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1961 by Dave111
ImpLaNT wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:56 am
Hi ImpLaNT,
Don't worry about the TP, I have a trade EA on another chart along with the newHUD indicator to show all the Daily ranges etc.
It only puts on a SL and TP which I can then drag around to where I want it, think it's set to 100 and 500, I just left as it went on as this was short term trade.
I am only really using the Orbit chart on 4hour, and at times switching to 1hour and Daily. You can see MRI lines across all these as a possible place for a bounce or turn.

But here is the main thing, and I hope that you as well as other genuine traders here get to understand as I am about to start to show the basics of the screenface, Orbits purpose is to ignore certain chaotic fluctuations from the market and show the true direction of price (a singularity). At times you might think it is lagging for that very reason but nothing could be further from the truth.
Observations at places wherever and whatever the market decides to change direction, Orbit, being a mathematical model, starts showing this change by n swapping between open and closed, as well as other changes in the screenface which may APPEAR to be repainting but it is NOT. The fact that the market is at indecision reflects in this short term changing. Whether it ends up being a retracement or a period of FLE/ranging or a longer move will follow through to the screenface in time.
This is just spending a bit of time watching Orbit in action and can signal the end of a previous move at the same time, while this seems complicated at first, if you get drawn into a move when n goes open again in the same direction as before and the market moves against you (a trap) then close your trade at a loss when n signals closed again.
This is exactly what happened with my trade yesterday, but I was waiting as I had noted these tell tail signs.
A n signal trade by the book at both stages and a 5n max target as outlined in DarkDoji's latest manual in post 1. Yes these can be taken seemingly against the previous trend, not entirely risk free as stated in the manual, but a little bit of how to read Orbit made it as good a trade as any in my book.

Davie

PS Found it again...
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1962 by regit
EDIT

OH.
MY.
GAWD!!
Now another winning sell on XAUUSD, bringing the consecutive winning trades to 35 with NO ORBIT!
IS THERE NO STOPPING THIS MADNES?!?!?!?
=======================================================================
OH NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! IT CANNOT BE!! ANOTHER WINNING SELL ON GBPUSD AND NO ORBIT! ONLY THOSE WORTHLESS INDICATOR LINES TO GUIDE ME!

The cited continuous wins WITHOUT ORBIT is now 34!
DEAR GAWD, SPARE ME THIS GOLDEN CURSE!
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1963 by Dave111
Dave111 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:04 pm Hi ImpLaNT,
Don't worry about the TP, I have a trade EA on another chart along with the newHUD indicator to show all the Daily ranges etc.
It only puts on a SL and TP which I can then drag around to where I want it, think it's set to 100 and 500, I just left as it went on as this was short term trade.
I am only really using the Orbit chart on 4hour, and at times switching to 1hour and Daily. You can see MRI lines across all these as a possible place for a bounce or turn.

But here is the main thing, and I hope that you as well as other genuine traders here get to understand as I am about to start to show the basics of the screenface, Orbits purpose is to ignore certain chaotic fluctuations from the market and show the true direction of price (a singularity). At times you might think it is lagging for that very reason but nothing could be further from the truth.
Observations at places wherever and whatever the market decides to change direction, Orbit, being a mathematical model, starts showing this change by n swapping between open and closed, as well as other changes in the screenface which may APPEAR to be repainting but it is NOT. The fact that the market is at indecision reflects in this short term changing. Whether it ends up being a retracement or a period of FLE/ranging or a longer move will follow through to the screenface in time.
This is just spending a bit of time watching Orbit in action and can signal the end of a previous move at the same time, while this seems complicated at first, if you get drawn into a move when n goes open again in the same direction as before and the market moves against you (a trap) then close your trade at a loss when n signals closed again.
This is exactly what happened with my trade yesterday, but I was waiting as I had noted these tell tail signs.
A n signal trade by the book at both stages and a 5n max target as outlined in DarkDoji's latest manual in post 1. Yes these can be taken seemingly against the previous trend, not entirely risk free as stated in the manual, but a little bit of how to read Orbit made it as good a trade as any in my book.

Davie

PS Found it again...

In addition to this post let me just say that if you are trading longer term you could ignore retracements and ride it out until a major turn.
I am not at this stage yet, but I probably would still prefer intraday trades as less scary and don't like having trades open over weekends and more in control if anything else happens in life !
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1964 by Forexlearner
regit wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:25 pm EDIT

OH.
MY.
GAWD!!
Now another winning sell on XAUUSD, bringing the consecutive winning trades to 35 with NO ORBIT!
IS THERE NO STOPPING THIS MADNES?!?!?!?
=======================================================================
OH NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! IT CANNOT BE!! ANOTHER WINNING SELL ON GBPUSD AND NO ORBIT! ONLY THOSE WORTHLESS INDICATOR LINES TO GUIDE ME!

The cited continuous wins WITHOUT ORBIT is now 34!
DEAR GAWD, SPARE ME THIS GOLDEN CURSE!
Image


that can be easily done in excel with whatever values you want. Not the best way to be calling someone out. Call the trade here live when you enter, when you close, then you can put on a act of superiority.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1966 by ImpLaNT
regit wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:25 pm EDIT

OH.
MY.
GAWD!!
In this thread we are not talking about scalping, which, as I understand it, you are engaged in. Orbit was created for interday trading, that is, a position is opened for several days (this is what Doji was talking about), and during rollbacks, the position is added if possible. Closing should occur approximately in the zone of potential price reversal in the opposite direction. The minimum possible trade is one entry per day in the direction of the most significant slope of the day (if the market is currently in a range). Here, few people are interested in endless trades of 10-15 pips. Personally, I’m not interested in sitting for several hours a day in front of a screen, going through all possible pairs and poking at buttons.This is purely my opinion...

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1967 by Dave111
Red news that effects whatever pair you are trading, in our case Gold, is something to be aware of with intraday movement.
Long term trades will have little impact to deal with.
In any case Orbit will track it as true single path unlike any 'system' that relies on an assumed direction. That is why it is always correct and impossible to be anything less.
A fast Stochastic would quickly follow as the market moves, but good luck trying to trade with that when smaller chaotic variations in price makes it completely unusable.

At the time of this post, red news coming up within the hour.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1968 by regit
ImpLaNT wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:16 pm In this thread we are not talking about scalping, which, as I understand it, you are engaged in. Orbit was created for interday trading, that is, a position is opened for several days (this is what Doji was talking about), and during rollbacks, the position is added if possible. Closing should occur approximately in the zone of potential price reversal in the opposite direction. The minimum possible trade is one entry per day in the direction of the most significant slope of the day (if the market is currently in a range). Here, few people are interested in endless trades of 10-15 pips. Personally, I’m not interested in sitting for several hours a day in front of a screen, going through all possible pairs and poking at buttons.This is purely my opinion...
Nope! Orbit was NOT created for INTERday trading only! INTRAday trading is just as valid. More likely is the case that you still don't understand that the TRADING SPACE is simply VIEWED on any partition of your choosing, INCLUDING partitions defined by OTHER means than the timeframes present in MT4! And ANY partition can be used to look for point-to-point trade opportunities. This is vlaid because of the FRACTAL NATURE of the chaotic movement of price. EXACTLY THE SAME BASIC PATTERN OCCURS ON EVERY PARTITION! So go back and do some more studying and try to figure out how chaos "works" and also how to use the tool before you try to declare it is to be used ONLY in the way that you understand it should be used.
Here is your nonsense on that
The minimum possible trade is one entry per day in the direction of the most significant slope of the day
ROFLMAO!

In addition, read the thread again and discover how many times it was stated that it is up to the trader himself as to when to take profit and where to place a stop loss, if any.
You are presenting the TOOL as though it is providing SIGNALS for where traders are REQUIRED to close trades. See your nonsense quoted below.
Closing should occur approximately in the zone of potential price reversal in the opposite direction.

What, you took a poll to find this out? How many people were in the poll? Or, is this again just more of your OPINION that is not supported by any facts?
Here, few people are interested in endless trades of 10-15 pips.
Truly, it looks like you should just stop posting for a while instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1969 by regit
regit wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:42 pm Nope! Orbit was NOT created for INTERday trading only! INTRAday trading is just as valid. More likely is the case that you still don't understand that the TRADING SPACE is simply VIEWED on any partition of your choosing, INCLUDING partitions defined by OTHER means than the timeframes present in MT4! And ANY partition can be used to look for point-to-point trade opportunities. This is vlaid because of the FRACTAL NATURE of the chaotic movement of price. EXACTLY THE SAME BASIC PATTERN OCCURS ON EVERY PARTITION! So go back and do some more studying and try to figure out how chaos "works" and also how to use the tool before you try to declare it is to be used ONLY in the way that you understand it should be used.
Here is your nonsense on that

ROFLMAO!

In addition, read the thread again and discover how many times it was stated that it is up to the trader himself as to when to take profit and where to place a stop loss, if any.
You are presenting the TOOL as though it is providing SIGNALS for where traders are REQUIRED to close trades. See your nonsense quoted below.



What, you took a poll to find this out? How many people were in the poll? Or, is this again just more of your OPINION that is not supported by any facts?


Truly, it looks like you should just stop posting for a while instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.
In addition to the above, look at the two charts below. What are the timeframes? Thanks to the fractal nature of financial time series, they can be ANY timeframe; they can even be the SAME time frame at a different moment in time. But we have NO IDEA which TF it is unless we are given CONCRETE CLUES that enable deducing it! So, it makes absolutely no difference which TF (partition) you decide to vew, the SAME basic chaos pattern unfolds!!! And furthermore, for the astute reader, you can also now see that there are OTHER TOOLS that can lead to the same results as Orbit!

And similarly, as for your INTER-vs INTRAday nonsense, what if one of these charts is the WEEKLY TF? Then the trade went for SEVERAL DAYS! But what if it is the M1 TF? Then it went for only several MINUTES. So again, there is no INTRA- INTERday distinction to be forced on anyone here as you are trying to do.
whatTFs.png
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1970 by Dave111
Ikeyoung27 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:12 pm Dave111

So n close and open mean what exactly ?
Term Trade n ( either reads open or closed ) which should be same as top left circle in Cyclicality, but we are not in a sell just because n is red , it would need to be purple and open to be same as Cyclicality red. Other things need to be taken into consideration first, mainly 6n fractal global circle is green ( extreme right column ). A move down could change this back to red, but the fact it has occurred is a clue to a possibility of a move down not going lower to relocate aqua crown lower but a pullback to start a new uptrend.
Everything will be tracked as it happens by Orbit so you don't need to guess as it will happen in real time, but you have clues which adds fun to the game.
I will get to the tutorial soon I promise !
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