RollerAndTrading wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:26 am Yes i can follow gold too, i follow Nasdaq because is the index with i have more confidence and time on chart looking, but i have a setup to follow gold too.

Yes both charts in the end go to the same direction, but curiously the difference on signals, not only on the Caos Control, but on Trade Control too, i have many screenshots where is possible see dots on deafferents points, but in the end, they go to the same direction.

I appreciate your kindness and will do my best to follow your reasoning and analysis.

Even pairs co-related can differ widely at times to each other.
I know it must be difficult for people not fluent in English to follow along, and this goes to anyone trying to trade Orbit, as DarkDoji has written all his manuals in a mathematical language, which it has to be to leave behind as a testament to all his work, so I will try and post things relating to the Gold chart as we go along as the screenface changes throughout the day.
I am not an expert yet, but I hope Samm will join in in correcting me and guiding us as we go.
Everything is visual, you only have learn how to read it for it to stick in your memory.

Davie

The sum of its parts is greater than the whole. Look at Orbit M30 window with Ichimoku Kinko. TELL ME. If you used Trade Control and Orbit Screenface would you have missed the trades intraday you see now? Is it possible to miss them? I DO NOT THINK SO. I am trying to show how easy it is and also how all encompassing chaos is. All strategies fit into it exactly. Total Control.

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Dave111 wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:26 am Hi everyone,
Just getting over a medical thing I had done yesterday so not been trading much this week. I stuck on a sell on Monday and left it overnight (Asian) but took it out at London open yesterday as I did not want live account trades on in case anything went wrong with the procedure ( a common bowel problem).
Anyway 120 pips profit but as you can see if it was a normal day, I would have left it on for double that.
Today 49 pips profit, got involved in a couple of hedge trades as Gold slow and not sure of its self. I have another pending sell on below 4H low and purple MRI line as I am still hoping for the aqua head to turn to gold with an aqua crown head on the bottom of the Daily (6n), if and when the market resumes the uptrend again it should break the Monthly high.
Will keep you posted as things change, but Orbit will lead the way no matter what we analyse.

By the way Samm, I am not to keen on the 1 minute chart as yet, as I get a very clear picture using mainly 4H and 1H combo with Orbit.

Davie

Hi Davie hope you are much better now though. So good on your trades but observe Command 1 changed so Risk-Free Space allows you harvest the trend. Notice if you had left your trade till today would have been the same story. That is the command structure and that is the effect of Risk-Free Space. Uptrend yes we have to wait for that. I hope soon and could be before Christmas. But the same thing on Command change. Because if you keep that in mind you would be more relaxed in direction Early and would actively seek trades in such space as is safe and profitable to do under the glaring command. Cheers

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Darkdoji wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:36 am The sum of its parts is greater than the whole. Look at Orbit M30 window with Ichimoku Kinko. TELL ME. If you used Trade Control and Orbit Screenface would you have missed the trades intraday you see now? Is it possible to miss them? I DO NOT THINK SO. I am trying to show how easy it is and also how all encompassing chaos is. All strategies fit into it exactly. Total Control.

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You are starting to gravitate more and more towards indicators... Then bbbands with solar winds, now we’ve reached Ichimoku... Why would this be??? Indicators are evil, aren't they?

ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:34 am You are starting to gravitate more and more towards indicators... Then bbbands with solar winds, now we’ve reached Ichimoku... Why would this be??? Indicators are evil, aren't they?

I am disappointed to say the least at your take since it has no basis. But why are you deliberately misrepresenting me? What has frustrated you to the point of saying things I have nowhere said? How does that help you or anyone? I think your post is a really sad statement coming from you a) for the lack of you understanding the simple and obvious point made for your good and that of others b) for you taking opportunity of such a simple point as made in my post to mislead and misinform. It does not make sense to me. But I am sure that others with more sense than you have elected to signify here can see how out of step you are. Regardless, I am disappointed especially since beyond everything else you do not appear to understand Orbit enough to trade it for yourself, and thus c) apparently so frustrated as to lie against me in open forum. I wish you well and I hope that you are happy with the result you have so far attained by this new and senseless posture. Very disappointed and totally unexpected from the person you say you are. Sad!

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ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:34 am You are starting to gravitate more and more towards indicators... Then bbbands with solar winds, now we’ve reached Ichimoku... Why would this be??? Indicators are evil, aren't they?

For the everybody crowed and to help clarify the misleading and outright false attribution to me made by @ImpLaNT (for whatever reason or may be a joke), let me just say as below:

a) In the last update I introduced the concept of a Trade Control Screen which was i) to help make a direct link in the way Orbit is traded for the trader ii) by providing a portable and direct means of doing so.

b) I explained at the time of that introduction that Cloud Control is a multiscreen trading resource with many useful screens for analysis and actual trading. In the actual product these screens would be far, far more sophisticated and would provide the user a wide range of trading and informational functionalities. I then pointed to the basic or Prototype Trade Control screen for what it is and how to use it. My hope at the time was that this addition will greatly help those grappling with the simple and direct method of trading the Orbit Prototype using a direct (physical), means of doing so (which among other things include getting a closer look at the chaos and learning from it as a market trades).

c) I then fully explained the use of the indicators provided within that functionality (and indicators btw, everyone has seen me use on my screens and that are an intrinsic part of the Oscillator Market Model and have always been). The idea being to align the movements seen on the Trade Control screen with the readings on Screenface which is the primary cue upon which the actual trade action MUST be based given the trade context that a trader can see and relate to on the Screenface. May not be obvious in the Prototype but in the final good - would be indispensable as it will guide a trader step by step through price evolution live and actually ensure that a trader is not just fully informed but consistently profitable and therefore a core part of the intended product. I hope this makes sense.

d) My reasoning in showing a Screenshot with Ichimoku I guess is so obvious (and already stated in the post), I am sure everyone can understand the simple point being made and of course Ichomoku is not a part of Orbit in the clear sense I have tried to provide.

So not sure what has caused @ImpLaNT to go this way but then strange things happen from time to time so I hope it is understood that I have at no time said what he has accused me of asserting anywhere ------------------> here or in private to anyone as it would be illogical. Ultimately, @ImpLaNT would probably explain himself. But just to clear immediate points up. Deeply disappointed at the meaninglessness of it though.

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PS: Note that the volatility band and other indicators used in Orbit are NOT applied in the same sense as in "Technical" studies and that is a matter special to how and why Orbit works as it does. Do not forget it is an analogue of an equation and getting that analogues structure to function as the driver is the core genius in how and why Orbit exists as a very different surface from what everyone has been used to until now.

Darkdoji wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:05 pm
So not sure what has caused @ImpLaNT to go this way but then strange things happen from time to time so I hope it is understood that I have at no time said what he has accused me of asserting anywhere ------------------> here or in private to anyone as it would be illogical. Ultimately, @ImpLaNT would probably explain himself. But just to clear immediate points up. Deeply disappointed at the meaninglessness of it though.

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What should I explain???
I just noticed and stated the fact that you are paying more and more attention to ordinary TECHNICAL indicators, while you have repeatedly declared the idea that all these TECHNICAL indicators are worthless due to the fact that their essence completely lacks a theoretical mathematical basis. But, then I begin to notice that you use some purely TECHNICAL indicators from time to time. This is exactly what I wrote about. At the same time, my message did not contain any criticism. This is just a statement of fact. I don’t know why you took this as some kind of reproach against yourself.

ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:33 pm What should I explain???
I just noticed and stated the fact that you are paying more and more attention to ordinary TECHNICAL indicators, while you have repeatedly declared the idea that all these TECHNICAL indicators are worthless due to the fact that their essence completely lacks a theoretical mathematical basis. But, then I begin to notice that you use some purely TECHNICAL indicators from time to time. This is exactly what I wrote about. At the same time, my message did not contain any criticism. This is just a statement of fact. I don’t know why you took this as some kind of reproach against yourself.

I rest my case and I wish you well. I am sure you will see from my posts above what my stand is and I cannot help the fact that you do not understand my statements and contexts after all this while and all the private conversations we have had to give you an edge directly. But I remain deeply, very deeply disappointed in how you have decided to come across. Thank you.

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PS: I have no further comments to make on this and will respond no further.

"Indicator is just a tool. Use it only if it can benefit you. Leave it if you don't know how to use it optimally." - mntiwana.

Above is my favorite quote in the Station. Let me just add, that mathematically many of the "technical" indicators made here are actually functions (or can be seen as such), and may be combined in different ways with others and or affected to express analytically things that even the original creators did not think about or consider in defining their application originally. There is therefore, a whole lot that can be done with so-called "technical" indicators when applied "analytically" and in combination two or more at a time rather than their originally intended use in measure space. One very outstanding example, probably familiar to most members and visitors to this thread is the MRI Tool. A "technician" would see it simply and directly as a "Support and Resistance" application. But we have no "Support and Resistance applications" in Chaos. So a chaotist would apply it very differently. Clearly, the way it has been applied in Orbit the Tool is not just fundamental to chaotic analysis but instructive of how we see and apply "technical" indicators in representing the market as a chaotic system underpinned by a fractal structure. This is one important reason why I often stress the logic or the thesis behind Orbit as most important to trading by it. It would be a complete farce for someone trading by Orbit to for instance "think" and "apply" the MRI tool outside of our prescriptions. But I know it takes time to move away from concepts held over long periods to something new and revolutionary in thinking. Yet this is crucial where the intent is to for instance adopt Orbit the Tool as one's theory of the market. Do keep the above words of @mntiwana in mind and remember my example of the MRI above in considering how we see and apply "technical" tools in Deterministic Trading. Orbit leads and tells the story of chaos to the trader as the system (market), evolves. This will become devastatingly clear with the Cloud Version and so much so no one will be blamed for thinking "where is he getting all of this from"? Human creativity from history underpinned all significant improvements to existing forms and this is true of what we have done in Orbit so far and there is more we will do to change the way trading is done. The basis of our applications however rely on topological thinking. Again best wishes to the Trader.

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I completely agree with Darkdoji's last post about indicators.
I use a few moving averages, but no bb bands, solar winds, just MRI and the trend line indicator.
You will see when I start posting charts to explain Orbit in action as we go through into next week as well. But remember indicators are for visual only and at a lot of times they look very good reversal or bounce areas, but DO NOT TRADE INDICATORS as a reason to enter a trade. I will show my take on how you can read the screenface in less than a minute as you already can see where the price has been on the chart.

Gold as of all of London morning session and USD red news coming up soon. Orbit has been signaling changing conditions, with n going to closed then open again, spot trades sell to open back to sell. You can see for yourself price has done very little so that is very accurate.
KSO concerns me a bit as it is at extreme levels at the bottom and has been trying to recover. However I have a target at Daily pivot buffer and everything else points down.
I have a pending buy order in case of change at a good level and by the time it reaches it Orbit will have changed as well, then we can play games with retraces !!!!

Davie