Also a good idea to check with the Ordinals to see if within the range of frames they measure there is perturbation (double arrows), before concluding that a flow is over. Right now in Gold all Ordinals are pointing down (single arrow) so there is cohesion and therefore synchrony across space in direction. Which backs up my theory of an overshoot to circa 1895.

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solarian wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:56 am

Exceptional and sorry misread you completely first time and thought you were asking the question not knowing you were giving the perfect answer. Thank you, you great. Really I mean that.

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solarian wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:56 am

Also good to look at sections D of both OrbitPlay book and OrbitRule book. Important in fact.

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Tells you how to read a turn up or down and already we saw this turn down upon which I posted those books to remind. Not sure a lot of people took any notice. A lot of people dislike books and want practical demonstrations but this goes beyond practical anything the thing is a complexity. A complexity without books I cannot show everything I would like people to know and understand. It is not that it is as simple a b c in terms of the reasoning and I am trying to sound intelligent. It is as complex as hell and I am trying to break it down so it is communicated. I hope I make sense.

Darkdoji wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:36 am Exceptional and sorry misread you completely first time and thought you were asking the question not knowing you were giving the perfect answer. Thank you, you great. Really I mean that.

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No worries. Thanks for your detailed and generous comments for everyone. What I was trying to convey earlier wasn't meant to highlight an inconsistency in the tool. Instead, I was suggesting that the price is likely to continue its downward movement, considering that the other indicators, such as KSO (n-6n), arrows, and others, have not yet shown any signs of changing direction.

Based on your experience would you consider 7n sufficient turn for KSO below provided that the rest of the indicators match per below. Or would you rather wait bit more a confirm the reversal with additional n-6n KSO match (and/or additional cyclicality, TT etc) to the upside (I realize there may not be an exact answer).

P.S I may be going a bit overboard with the screenshots but my intention is to prioritize clarity and provide thorough references thus close any potential gaps as much as possible due to our diverse cultural and background differences.

solarian wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:51 am

Watch it the signaling is meant to appeal to your intuition because it is a fluctuation its primary behaviour is recursive (up and down) at all times and so entry is well defined by a) What is the level 1 command in force b) at what H4 pivot is the market at (low or high) c) on what level 1 command are you trading (up or down). It is simple and direct but you must also understand that this is how the market works. Only my version has a single trigger but even at that it is within the same context as we have specified for your version. We do not turn on the basis of the isolated initial value per sequence we turn on inverse on - a later stage than the former so you have time to observe and get used to the idea that you trade only when your mind agrees that you do have the go from Orbit. It becomes manifest with practice and the acceptance of what I have said above. Do not forget you first follow the steps listed. Once you realize this is always correct you have control.

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Darkdoji wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:35 pm I also think Gold may overshoot 1902 until a whitehead low on 8n @Dave 111 is MIA he is the only one I know interested in how Semaphores work and would have loved a discussion on my thinking since it is instructive and he (we) might benefit. Basically, we have 3 unstable Semaphore points in 7n and now it is clear that based on this analysis we can workout the now and after of Gold movement and watch to see how that plays ahead. I hope he is back soon.

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PS: Did not move my stop (out of habit though would pay me to do that I think)

I am at a bit of a loss to figure out what is happening at the moment. Weekly and Monthly could be going a lot lower, and with Daily in a tight range but failing to get Aqua high will be interesting to see which way it goes. I think you have the best way in just following H4/6n point to point as any timeframe above has a lot of room to play with.
KSO could cool off at any point with a pullback but may turn back down to hit maximum on all partitions.

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By my broker we have a a whitehead low on 8n by 1899 so I would assume we are done down or very nearly so. But you continue to trade by the pivoting and signs as they change. You cannot therefore decide that there is a turn until you are told there is a turn.

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PS: Price is still going down as we head to close.

solarian wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:56 am Even though amplitude appears complete and we got the magenta inverse low in M30, H1 and aqua inverse low in H4 cycle is not reversed yet based on the chart below.

Was good checking on M30/H1.

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Dave111 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:22 am I am at a bit of a loss to figure out what is happening at the moment. Weekly and Monthly could be going a lot lower, and with Daily in a tight range but failing to get Aqua high will be interesting to see which way it goes. I think you have the best way in just following H4/6n point to point as any timeframe above has a lot of room to play with.
KSO could cool off at any point with a pullback but may turn back down to hit maximum on all partitions.

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Here is my take Dave. In D1 we had 2062 and 1988 = MN matches and then we had 1947 (high) + 0 (low) WK matches and so only now do we have the WK low (once confirmed). The intervening blackheads plus the whitehead we just had were therefore unstable points (points without WK1 matches and therefore displaceable in the process of finding a WK low match). This means there is just one unstable blackhead High in D1 with Wk now set to complete a 2 up meaning a D1 Aqua high is more probable now than ever. Do you agree? Or did I miss out something?

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A game (much like chess played by the market), except may be the market forgot that You, I and @ImpLaNT happen to be watching and are gradually (little by little) learning to play the same game as the market? Interesting do you not think what we are learning? We can actually call it completing the pattern forward if it plays but lets if it plays this way at all.

Darkdoji wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:34 am Not sure those animals (bulls and bears), know about Semaphores and price is right now balancing them out in space so while yes we hit 1900 already I think trading up may not be safe maybe until circa 1895 (overshoot), by which time we should have the desired whitehead low on 8n and by which event we can trust an uprising if we see one. But like your style of trusting Semaphores on event (that is the spirit of inverse on, except of course in overshoots such as we are witnessing right now).

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PS: But if you are in already and agree with my reasoning it is a question of rescaling your stop loss.

Forgive me @Darkdoji I couldn't answer you at that time... but if I already had a couple of open operations I took a risk, I'm in the negative but I can only wait...

And if what you mention makes a lot of sense, I don't master the orbit like you but that's why I respect what you mention and try to learn, I think that's exactly what the price can do, it seems to me, it still has a way to go. because of how slow it moves speaking from my point of view out of orbit.

When I mention bulls and bears I mean buyers and sellers... I got used to calling them that because of the Tradingview chat rooms.