Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1972
Ikeyoung27 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:31 am Dave111
Thank you will be looking towards the tutorial because I’m so lost . I’m willing to pay once I can learn how everything works and start to make money
You keep your money and put it towards trading. Follow along with the tutorials and take your time and learn, don't get involved with 'systems', as unless you one of the gifted few who can trade successfully, you have come to the right place. I have tried for many years as most traders without any luck and only now am I turning things around.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1974
I have repeatedly heard the opinion that Orbit is very late and goes into a uniquely stable state when it is already clear that the market has turned around. This is actually a misconception. If we remember that Orbit is a mathematical model of the market, then it should correspond to what is currently happening on the market. And if the market is in a range, then the screenface is also in an ambiguous (unstable) state.
As an example, I would like to cite the current situation with gold.
The picture shows H1 TF. Please note that at the moment the Orbit displays a situation, the starting point for which is the upper extremum at the level of 2009.31, formed on October 30, as the Initial Value section tells us. That is, the current screenface presents us with the situation regarding the last 15 days. This price action is shown by the large yellow arrow.


We see that the screenface is not uniform. Elements that tell us that we are in a downward movement are highlighted in red; signs of an upward price reversal are indicated in green. Numbers from 1 onwards show the significance of a given element (in my understanding), where 1 is the maximum significance.
So let's analyze. Which indicates to us a downward movement...
1 - Main Arrow - directed downward, yellow in color, which indicates that the bearish stage is in full swing.
2 - Spike Event Arrow (sister of the Main Arrow) - shows you exactly what you should do when you are at the peak of the pullback. In this case, sell possible maximums.
3 - The Orbit Arrow is purple (the most negative color) indicates that the 8n partition (in this version, it is 8n in the Fractal Patterns section that is the separator between the trend and the pullback) has absolutely negative dynamics. That is, n-7n are fractals of pullbacks, 8n-9n are fractals of the main direction of price movement.
4 - Singularity of flows - a red icon with a yellow border - tells us that the downward flows in all three time perspectives (short-term, medium-term and long-term) have good homogeneity and are directed in one direction.
5 - the Red Market icon speaks for itself - complete bearish market control
6 - Medium-Term and Long-Term ordinals are red and are directed clearly downwards - they show the generalized results of the Price Action section. To paraphrase in other words, in the medium and long term there is a clear downward movement.
7. The Price Dynamics section has a large red arrow (the main movement) and a green one inside, which means an upward pullback against the background of a downward movement.

Now let's look at the green elements...

1 - CMD 1 - in a transitional state, that is, we have 6n TT + 6n Cy green, which tells us that a new “risk-free space” may soon open for entry into buys. But for now it is in a transitional state because the 6n TT is green, when it turns orange we will have an open “risk-free space” for buys.
2 - L+1 ordinal has turned into the “Extreme Low” state, which tells us that the lower extremum has been identified by Orbit and this will be a significant point (if not a reversal, then at least we will have a significant pullback from this bottom)
3 - Power Icon has changed its color to light green, which indicates the presence of significant upward flows in the short term. The approximate current value of the path traveled by the price in the short-term ascent is about 60%. If the upward movement continues significantly, we will have a dark green icon for the medium term and yellow for the long term.
4 - the readings of the Short-Term Ordinal are completely in unison with the Power Icon. The green circle indicates that in the short term we have at least an upward pullback. Multidirectional arrows inside say that at the moment this short-term upward pullback is in a range, the red arrow ahead means that a downward pullback should first follow, then the ascent will resume if it is not interrupted by a too deep pullback. In this case, the circle will turn red.
5.6 - Range Arrow + Spot Arrow = CMD 2. Range Arrow is something like the direction of the intraday bias. The Spot Arrow is the fastest-acting arrow of the individual screenface arrows. Shows the current (momenal) price direction.
To summarize the above... Although Doji says that Orbit, in addition to a mathematical model, is an oscillator, which of the oscillators you know can give you so much information? Look at the entire downward movement of 15 days, and in relation to this, evaluate that Orbit recognized a possible reversal already now, is it too late?? In my opinion no.
Now open a clean chart of gold on H1 and just look with the experienced eye of a trader - are you ready to unequivocally state that the downward movement is fully completed? Are you ready to say that it will definitely continue and the current minimum is not the end? Personally, I can't answer these questions unequivocally. And Orbit can’t either, this is a model and it shows you all the ambiguity of the current situation. Should there be something else?
Please note that Orbit does not have a single element in its screenface - a trigger that would switch and hold its state once at the moment of a price reversal. This means that absolutely the entire screenface is subject to gradual or sudden change, depending on what the price does. Therefore, we can always say that Orbit is 100% right at every moment of time, because it is precisely this moment that is now displayed on his screenface. And how right each of us will be when using Orbit is a question for each of us
The way I described the elements of the screenface is my personal vision and understanding of them. If something is not entirely correct or accurate, Doji will correct it if he deems it necessary.
While I was writing this treatise, “red news” came out and the price shot up, but I managed to buy before the news came out. Now the screenface looks like this...

As you can see, it has turned more greener. The changes especially affected the Fractal Patterns and KSO sections.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1975
regit wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:42 pm Nope! Orbit was NOT created for INTERday trading only! INTRAday trading is just as valid.
I don't at all refute the fractal model of the market on all possible timeframes. This is really true from M1 to MN1, as well as on all artificially obtained TFs such as H3, H12, etc... Everywhere there will be the same fractals. Its a fact. And I didn't mention the word timeframe anywhere in my post.
I'm saying that the Orbit screenface is inconvenient to use for working on junior TFs due to the constant change in its state. I have already said that each subsequent version of Orbit becomes more and more inert in terms of the speed of the screenface’s response to price changes and I said what this is connected with. It’s not for nothing that Doji looks mainly at H4, and for younger TFs he only clarifies the moment of entry. And note...here we are talking only about Orbit and nothing else. Everything that we have from our own developments has no meaning here. We can only privately compare them with Orbit and draw conclusions.
I also want to say that if you think that you have a unique approach, then why would you waste your time and write something here instead of just working according to your own method? Personally, Orbit is interesting to me at certain points, that’s why I’m here. I'm not here to prove to anyone that I have something better than Orbit, like you do. I can’t stop you from writing anything here, but the fact is that these unnecessary conversations take a lot of time. The thread is about Orbit and not about whether there is something better than Orbit. Please take this into account...

P.S.... And just for fun... I opened a buy position at 1946. I am tentatively considering 1997 as a target (to be specified as we go). Naturally, I don’t think that the target will be achieved today or tomorrow. I wrote this to show roughly the framework within which I think. As you can see, we are not talking about pipsing and scalping. Naturally, I can't guarantee that the price will reach this level, but if I see that there is a threat of a reversal, I will fix it according to the current state.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1976
Dave111 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:10 am Term Trade n ( either reads open or closed ) which should be same as top left circle in Cyclicality, but we are not in a sell just because n is red , it would need to be purple and open to be same as Cyclicality red. Other things need to be taken into consideration first, mainly 6n fractal global circle is green ( extreme right column ). A move down could change this back to red, but the fact it has occurred is a clue to a possibility of a move down not going lower to relocate aqua crown lower but a pullback to start a new uptrend.
Everything will be tracked as it happens by Orbit so you don't need to guess as it will happen in real time, but you have clues which adds fun to the game.
I will get to the tutorial soon I promise !


When news came out I was thinking of trading a sell down to around the 1936.00 mark, but for anyone watching it happened in a blink of an eye, all I saw was a green whitehead appear on the 4 hour chart.
As per Orbit clues as the above quoted post, I managed to get the new buy on at the third attempt in fast market, so probably a bit late.
Enough for today as we can now pick trades as we please using the ultimate price tracker.
By the way stop losses are just for a safety net and meaningless when you are watching a trade in action.
Trade time 36 seconds after scheduled news time.
Profit +140 pips.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

1979
Ikeyoung27 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:50 am Dave111
To understand the reasoning behind you taking a buy where you did . Can you verify everything I marked up to see were those the reason why you took an buy there
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Very easy. As I said in a post to you earlier before the news. I was expecting a move up based on the global 6n green circle. Orbit was ready to signal a down based on most of the other parts of the screenface as we still maybe in a down, which would have happened by the flash drop. After price recovered from the drop n on the Term Trades turned orange and open for the up, cyclicality and orbit spot would change up as well, the 4 hour MRI line was about the only logical place for the TP as the 1 hour had already overshot.
At the moment the other Term Trades are in a closed state, meaning we are in FLE and with a new Y2 head on the 4 hour, whitehead on the daily, the next move could be a move back down again which will be first noticed by the 6n circle going red again with other indications as well. Time will tell what is the next move, but it is now fun trading for me from what it used to be.
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