Darkdoji wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:37 pm It depends on the system of pivoting we see in the FLE. a) 6n or H4 made a 2(Y) low to close the week b) If on new week open 2(Y) high is < than Crown Head or current high, price will reverse certainly to trade a new diagonal (Crown) down. But here is the problem. You do not know what you are going to do on Monday and I do not and all the traders do not really know what they are going to do so it is impossible to say what will happen. It all depends on the pivots + level 1 command. So I entered the up trade at close and if that order reaches amplitude at 2Y high I will exit that high in profit. We can only read and react to the pattern we see.

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Darkdoji wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:51 pm May be but we encourage people to understand time frame is not really important and we encourage them to begin at first with H4 in order to understand why we say time frame is not important. It is the pivots (Semaphores), that are important + the level 1 command. If level 1 command is up then look for lows and buy and if level 1 command is down look for highs and sell. Very simple because n M(5) = 2n G 4) = 3n A(3) = 4n 2(y) = 5n 2(Y) = 6n W(1). This is another reason why trading from H4 is simplest. The correct turn is a single point and it is MATCHED from n----->6n as you can see above. Until and unless 6n or H4 turns (move is complete) the market has not changed direction. I hope you hear my meaning?

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Except for the semaphores, the time frame is not important for the rest of the indicators. But the problem is that I saw that most traders trade in less than 15 minutes. In this case, it becomes really difficult to work with Orbit.

I encountered a problem in the backtest from Orbit. Is there a way to get a backtest?

hesam-moon wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:25 pm I encountered a problem in the backtest from Orbit. Is there a way to get a backtest?

No Orbit is not an EA.

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hesam-moon wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:21 pm Except for the semaphores, the time frame is not important for the rest of the indicators. But the problem is that I saw that most traders trade in less than 15 minutes. In this case, it becomes really difficult to work with Orbit.

To understand my meaning you have to understand what mathematics mean by sequence. For example, Fibonacci is a sequence. Price is the same ---->price is a sequence just like Fibonacci. Fibonacci uses 2 seeds to find the next value and price uses only 1 seed to find the next value.

Second, there is only one sequence in the market on any day. If that sequence is positive (going up) it is going up from M1 - MN. There is no different sequence for M1, another for M5 another for D1 or another for MN. There is only 1 sequence and it follows only 1 direction at a time. This means that at any time at all ALL TIME FRAMES ARE SHOWING THE SAME SINGLE SEQUENCE and not 9. So I showed you proof that the market has only one sequence because n M(5) = 2n G 4) = 3n A(3) = 4n 2(y) = 5n 2(Y) = 6n W(1)... Can you see that if this is true then all time frames move together and there is no difference between M1 and MN on any day? So if there is no difference this means if MN is going up then M1, M15, M2, M 0.0000000001 are all going up and going up at the same time. But this "uniform" action does not appear the same in different windows because each window M1, M2, M0.003 etc have range limits so when range limit is reached in a window price will return to the middle of its range in that window and then continue in the same direction as the rest THIS IS WHY WE SAY THE MARKET IS MEAN REVERTING (IT RETURNS TO ITS MIDDLE TO RESUME NO MATTER THE SCALE WHICH IS ALSO WHY MARKETS CAN BE CONFUSING BECAUSE IN MATHEMATHMATICS THAT BEHAVIOUR IS SEEN AS NONMONOTONIC ---> THAT IS GOING UP OR DOWN PRICE MOVES UP AND DOWN ON ALL SCALES). Therefore, the only time when we are sure that all time frames have reached the same point at low or high and the BEST time to enter any trade and be sure it will deliver in any time frame at all is when H4 reaches a low or high. This means H4 measures market movement accurately and correctly (at the right time point). So if you enter a H4 pivot wherever you are trading from you are correct and safe -- that is as long as your entry = H4 pivot and signal turns you are fine - whether you are trading MN, MN5, MN20 or M0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 It does not matter because there is ONLY ONE SEQUENCE.

The people trading M5 or M1 or M0.5, or H1 etc are trading the same point when they are equal to H4 pivot and because H4 pivot is the only correct and complete point in the market (i.e. it is the right scale), if you enter a trade on H4 pivot in M15 = H4 pivot you will win. Why? Because price moves together ALWAYS and there is no different movement for H1 or M1 the movement is exactly the same. But to get the correct time of signal you must match your entry to a) Pivot or Semaphore at H4 low or high and b) the change of signal for that H4 signal or Semaphore or you can lose. It is H4 signal that is correct for any signal in the market and the time to check for that signal is when all points in the market = H4 pivot and therefore H4 signal. So time frame is not important only pivots or Semaphore means you can trade from anywhere if your entry = H4 pivot and your signal = H4 signal for that point. It is because people do not understand this and think different time frames have different trends and try to time signals differently that they lose because they time nonsense (something that is not true and that does not make sense when the ONLY time frame signal the market respects is H4). Please let me know if I am making sense.

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PS: Which is why to keep it very simple we trade H4 but you can trade H1 or any other time frame as long as you a) enter = H4 pivot and b) signal = H4 signal. So you see why Orbit is simple? Anywhere you trade from THERE IS ONLY ONE ORBIT SIGNAL AND IT IS ALWAYS CORRECT. On any time frame you trade.

viewtopic.php?p=1295522342&sid=1ebfb40b ... 1295522342. Here we say only one sequence but to be absolutely clear I mean one sequence at any one time on any given day. In chaos many sequences rise and fall per period (and hence what are called fixed points in chaos), but only one of such sequences is selected by the system (market), to engage in period doubling bifurcations at increasing rates until infinity to reach chaos. This is why mathematicians speak of a path to chaos. So chaos is also a process step by step (inductive). Something does not just get up and become chaotic and it is those steps that the screenface follows.

a) This means you can wait for Orbit signals do not rush because they only come on when a condition is true.
b) When you learn to pace Orbit signals you will always make profit even if you think it is taking time.
c) Understand the structure a) Level 1 command b) level 2 command. Level 1 command can last for days and weeks and it it means even if you make a level 1 mistake (entered correctly but too early do not kill your trade you will recover direction soon and hence we say risk-free space try to understand what we are talking about because we really know what we are talking about we are not guessing).
Exploit these ideas. But from the above you can see that if we go into more details about chaos than people need to trade with we start speaking very funny english and people soon get lost. But I hope I am making sense.

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hesam-moon wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:10 pm Hi brother, good time. This is the gold chart. I think that Monday saw the price turning upwards and changing the color of the indicators. And maybe the big semaphore will also change, right?

Do you see the fluctuations in the FLE now (Monday)? Do you see that in H4 we have made a High W(1) this morning (I took profit there from Friday trades). So given we have a Y(2) as the lowest point in FLE range (from last Friday), we can expect Whitehead high -----> to map to Whitehead low. If new low in FLE = higher low (i.e. > 2(Y)) from last Friday, then we can expect higher low to a) -----> map to new 2(Y) high which may reverse the flow or b) displace A(3) Crown higher which = continuation of trend. So in point ------> to point trading (Deterministic trading), we trade what we see with our eyes and and use our heads to follow price movement, therefore we avoid loses. Note If screen face shows Crown will be displaced higher (continuation of trend), I will enter a trade(s) that I intend to hold for the rest of the week so I do not waste my time trying to trade everyday when the trend is so clear. I hope sir, you start to see that chaos allows us to use common sense instead of guessing and getting it wrong. We use our head to follow by H4 fractals or fractures (the tool called fractals by Bill somebody is NEVER used in Orbit it is a "technical" tool that introduces very severe errors into trading space (they do not define mathematically as fractals but just the inaccurate notion of Support and Resistance which has nothing to do with and is not recognized by chaos. But Chaos allows us to be very safe with Point to point reading and trading of markets as I am very simply demonstrating. Very simple!

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PS: USE Gold H4 Screenface to visualize what I am talking about.

Darkdoji wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:57 pm Do you see the fluctuations in the FLE now (Monday)? Do you see that in H4 we have made a High W(1) this morning (I took profit there from Friday trades). So given we have a Y(2) as the lowest point in FLE range (from last Friday), we can expect Whitehead high -----> to map to Whitehead low. If new low in FLE = higher low (i.e. > 2(Y)) from last Friday, then we can expect higher low to a) -----> map to new 2(Y) high which may reverse the flow or b) displace A(3) Crown higher which = continuation of trend. So in point ------> to point trading (Deterministic trading), we trade what we see with our eyes and and use our heads to follow price movement, therefore we avoid loses. Note If screen face shows Crown will be displaced higher (continuation of trend), I will enter a trade(s) that I intend to hold for the rest of the week so I do not waste my time trying to trade everyday when the trend is so clear. I hope sir, you start to see that chaos allows us to use common sense instead of guessing and getting it wrong. We use our head to follow by H4 fractals or fractures (the tool called fractals by Bill somebody is NEVER used in Orbit it is a "technical" tool that introduces very severe errors into trading space (they do not define mathematically as fractals but just the inaccurate notion of Support and Resistance which has nothing to do with and is not recognized by chaos. But Chaos allows us to be very safe with Point to point reading and trading of markets as I am very simply demonstrating. Very simple!

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PS: USE Gold H4 Screenface to visualize what I am talking about.

You are absolutely right. I use Orbit to hold the trade and it's great. I also use stophunter style which gives me great visibility. Also, the candle to enter the transaction is always my stop-loss candle, this is the secret of my success in risk and capital management. I usually use a 1-hour timer.

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hesam-moon wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:56 pm You are absolutely right. I use Orbit to hold the trade and it's great. I also use stophunter style which gives me great visibility. Also, the candle to enter the transaction is always my stop-loss candle, this is the secret of my success in risk and capital management. I usually use a 1-hour timer.

What is stop hunter style? Just curious!

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