To know if the strategy above is sustainable in terms of earning power ------------------> a) take your Orbit Template b) look in the Orbit trade frame c) lookback in history as far as your chart can go and let me know whether like me you agree that this is the market. No more no less -----------> this is chaos at play. Has been since traders moved from pit trading to electronically traded markets.

The Crow (_-_) Inverted

Darkdoji wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:13 pm

here you see Xard's semafore on Gold
and sure enough - it gives the same structure Orbit offers,
The problem: semafores repaint, so it is only 100% true and clear in hindsight...
You don't need semafores; you look at price: it moves from top left to bottom right.
So again: 100% certainty about how and where to enter sells...
The truth: had the newsflow been different, price could have moved in the opposite direction and still - in hindsight - we would think all was clear as day: 100% certainty...
I repeat: it is not a matter of screenshots (or of history, personal belief, analysis etc) but a question of logic: if everybody (theoretically) knows where price will move, the market will cease to exist (there will be no buyers in a downtrend, no sellers in an uptrend).

josi wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:00 am here you see Xard's semafore on Gold
and sure enough - it gives the same structure Orbit offers,
The problem: semafores repaint, so it is only 100% true and clear in hindsight...
You don't need semafores; you look at price: it moves from top left to bottom right.
So again: 100% certainty about how and where to enter sells...
The truth: had the newsflow been different, price could have moved in the opposite direction and still - in hindsight - we would think all was clear as day: 100% certainty...
I repeat: it is not a matter of screenshots (or of history, personal belief, analysis etc) but a question of logic: if everybody (theoretically) knows where price will move, the market will cease to exist (there will be no buyers in a downtrend, no sellers in an uptrend).

No any and all frame captures are the same because the market is chaotic and sorry man the problem with the screenshot you have put up are 3 a) it has no comprehension of chaos and therefore knowledge of the space b) does not calculate risk-free space and c) misleads in the sense of your fear based on ignorance of the properties of chaotic space. For instance Semaphores do not repaint ----> The market does. Semaphores are amplitude seeking and recalculate after the market and of course that is not a problem when you can calculate space. See how it is done in Page 12. What you show is not what I show and in a thousand years what I show is correct 100/100 times. What you show will soon leave you penniless unless you use my rules and calculations to trade that space. This is why I talk about ignorance of chaos. Sorry man but you HAVE SAID NOTHING. Find out and come back. How about that -----------> You run from reason a lot like how markets work and the understanding that speculators are interlopers and not central to anything in how markets work. You are at it again. Find out and come back.

The Crow (_-_) Inverted

josi wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:00 am
The truth: had the newsflow been different, price could have moved in the opposite direction and still - in hindsight - we would think all was clear as day: 100% certainty...
I repeat: it is not a matter of screenshots (or of history, personal belief, analysis etc) but a question of logic: if everybody (theoretically) knows where price will move, the market will cease to exist (there will be no buyers in a downtrend, no sellers in an uptrend).

You have no formal training in logic so do not let the word logic imply "the way I see things as making sense to me". That would be highly incompetent. Also what is written in books can only be disputed by the standards that define the results presented. It may sound like a point worth making but it is not because this (between you and I), is akin to a bar room argument. Find out and come back. There are people on earth at this time who know more than you or I so lets rely on them NOT our unfounded FEARs.
Find out and come back.

The Crow (-_-)

PS: News flow for the lay or civilian to chaos is so important but it is a scarecrow -----------> No impact whatsoever on chaotic systems (that it does or might do in your mind is from old ladies tales). What is written in the books, and validated by Orbit the Tool is this "deterministic systems admit no randomness whatsoever in their future states." The model you have in your head is called a Stochastic Model of the market. Orbit is a deterministic model of the market. Once you confirm the difference ------------> you are free and redefined as a trader. For now you cannot understand what I am saying because the adoption of innovation follows a normal curve and there will naturally be laggards. So I understand that you can hold the views you hold in the face of abundant and formal evidence to the contrary. But as a friend I know you hold them in ignorance and my advise is that please find out and come back. Hope I make sense.

hi joshi
i think we can avoid repaint by using this method, 123 triangle pattern with ma line breakout
its good i feel so.
someone can make similar will be great

sal wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:14 am hi joshi
i think we can avoid repaint by using this method, 123 triangle pattern with ma line breakout
its good i feel so.
someone can make similar will be great

There is a far simpler and certain way already done, tested and validated. Use the "Spot Trend" command which is rated 100/100 times. See page 12.

The Crow (-_-)

PS: Zigzag tools do not repaint they recalculate because price "repaints" which is what the market equation shows. The market equation is a recursive equation and the variable price lives in recursive space. If you understand the science of it, it is pretty simple really. This is why we speak of the Orbit Logic. Without the Logic you MUST miss the point.

Darkdoji wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:19 am There is a far simpler and certain way already done, tested and validated. Use the "Spot Trend" command which is rated 100/100 times. See page 12.

The Crow (-_-)

PS: Zigzag tools do not repaint they recalculate because price "repaints" which is what the market equation shows. The market equation is a recursive equation and the variable price lives in recursive space. If you understand the science of it, it is pretty simple really. This is why we speak of the Orbit Logic. Without the Logic you MUST miss the point.

i cant find in page 12. earlier i am trying to learn orbit system, some lack of skill of mine to read , badly i couldn't get to learn in my brain.
now i am good trend direction gets through this method.
thanks
see now current market where i posted above.

sal wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:26 am i cant find in page 12. earlier i am trying to learn orbit system, some lack of skill of mine to read , badly i couldn't get to learn in my brain.
now i am good trend direction gets through this method.
thanks
see now current market where i posted above.

Look back to page 82 on the thread and you will see all the Orbit Books already posted on the thread before you get to this page. There are at least 5 and you can download the set at once and look in the analysis book. But you need the rest others to find your grip. Cheers

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So @sal if you want to read up Orbit and how it works you need to read all 5 articles here: viewtopic.php?p=1295520482#p1295520482 you have to read them a) Orbit is not a system it is a chaotic model of the market b) you cannot transfer what you know from "technical" trading and expect to understand and use the trading model Orbit the Tool. c) you need to understand the Orbit Logic in order to trade as simply as we have indicated. d) There is no teacher ------> it is too darned simple so no one needs to teach you in my opinion just read all the 5 books, demo practice and get a feel and you are ready to go as an Orbit trader. You can ask questions on the thread. Appears you use a translator and that is a bit of a problem in terms of understanding things quickly ------> but what we are doing is so simple it should not be a problem if you go step by step. You want something that is consistent and special but do not expect you will not work for it or work hard to understand to trade as simply and as easy as to use the sort of strategies we recommend. So everyone downloading I wish them the best ---------------------> lots of words and english but please understand that is to help you understand what you are doing when you start to trade with Orbit the Tool. But I am always amazed that traders expect to do no work at all and expect to find the Holy Grail that gives them a simple MA crossover to make $millions per second. But life is not like that. You need to read, train and practice and all the english is telling you is a background to enable trade on sight of signal. But also what you have not practiced will look complicated and difficult. Orbit is not, it is simple but you got to use your head and if your head is not filled by the stuff you can download from the thread above then I Imagine it will be tough for you. But if you understand and practice well the sky is your limit trading Orbit.

Cheers,

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sal wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:14 am

Here is the point --------------> nice chart and seemingly obvious logic. But try to trade it and you will find you lose consistently rather than your plan of wining consistently (not talking about this "system" in particular as I know nothing about it just speaking generally of things that look like it). Why? Cannot claim I know all the reasons but I have a feel for the biggest. The problem is called "trading systems" ---> what is that? Nothing just some rules somebody feels might work regularly enough to generate profits. Sure so what is wrong with that there are very experienced "traders" who know all about the market and who are winning millions and they can show us so we too can can win like them. Sure but that is a pipedream a) This big winner and great teacher you say is as lost as you are in chaotic space b) the market is a chaotic system but the "system" is a heuristic "system" and the rules he hopes will deliver millions will deliver not very much because what are the rules based on? Experience, based on trials that work sometimes and other times not at all so there and that is what you get in my experience. The best rule is an equation - a pattern that can be read mathematically and worked to measured space and therefore works each time. Oh really so where can I find that ----> Orbit, ah but Orbit is too complicated, and there is so much I have to read just show me how to get in and out of trades and I am fine. What are the rules.......at that point I am no longer listening since to my mind you are on your own. Yes Orbit is no more than 2 rules to enter trades. But it took ten years to develop and all that is reduced to me showing you steps because you do not have the time to understand why it took tens years to build and no you do not care to understand how the markets work? Great R.I.P I say to such a fellow. I am not being rude or arrogant but who dares wins. I hope my illustration here makes sense with the moral being it is all set up for you to find a new and firm approach based on an equation (and you do not have to know the equation just how it works), but if you are not able to take it from that point then of course you use the "systems" around (and I am not saying the "systems" are inferior) but man made rules based on haunches or experience do not in any sense compare with a mathematical equation period. The "rules" in "Systems" are not to measure they are guesses of measure, they are not measures of actual behaviour that can be broken down into the patterns that constitute them and must let you down more than you would like is my point. NOT TALKING TO @sal TALKING TO THE EVERYBODY CROWD.

Best wishes,

The Crow (-_-)