Ogee wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:07 pm Ukraine Is Heading For Defeat

Umm I thought they were already 'defeated' months ago...... seems like they are still holding on? Not tryna be a smart ass just getting confused

General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
2 hours ·
The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 18.04.24 were approximately:
personnel / about 456,960 (+910) persons / persons,
tanks ‒ 7196 (+3) units,
armored fighting vehicles / APV ‒ 13835 (+8) units,
artillery systems – 11,637 (+13) units,
RSZV / MLRS – 1046 (+0) units,
anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 760 (+0) units,
aircraft – 347 (+0) units,
helicopters – 325 (+0) units,
UAV operational-tactical level – 9284 (+5),
cruise missiles ‒ 2093 (+0),
ships / boats / warships / boats ‒ 26 (+0) units,
submarines - 1 (+0) units,
vehicles and fuel tanks – 15,618 (+31) units,
special equipment / special equipment ‒ 1915 (+5)

boytoy wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:19 pm Umm I thought they were already 'defeated' months ago...... seems like they are still holding on? Not tryna be a smart ass just getting confused

The point is where do you draw the line? Hitler's Germany was defeated long before Berlin fell. For Ukraine, most sane people would have seen the inevitable and come to terms long before the country was completely bankrupted, it's entire infrastructure destroyed and a whole generation slaughtered.

There's a reason Zelensky has sacked all his civilian staff and surrounded himself with bodyguards. Let's hope one of them shows a little bravery and soon, for the sake of the rest of the country.

West and Ukr engaged in wishful thinking hoping it will somehow overcome reality. It won't.

Like a gambler that can't be hauled away from the table until it's all gone Ukraine's cultural identity is being wiped out with it's demographic.

Ukraine’s FRANTIC APPEAL to its Citizens





Germany has appealed to European Union and NATO member states to bolster Ukraine's air defences as quickly as possible as Russian missiles pounded Ukrainian cities on Wednesday and its president repeated urgent calls for support.

But Germany knows there aren't any AD missiles left in the EU, so what's the point of the appeal?


Meanwhile life goes on.

Russia outpaces three times US and Europe in artillery shell production - CNN

https://www.voiceofeurope.com/russia-ou ... ction-cnn/

General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
5 hours ·
The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 19.04.24 were approximately:
of personnel / personnel ‒ about 457830 (+870) persons / persons,
tanks ‒ 7205 (+9) units,
armored combat vehicles / APV ‒ 13852 (+17) units,
artillery systems – 11658 (+21) units,
RSZV / MLRS – 1046 (+0) units,
anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 762 (+2) units,
aircraft – 347 (+0) units,
helicopters – 325 (+0) units,
UAV operational-tactical level – 9311 (+27),
cruise missiles ‒ 2096 (+3),
ships / boats / warships / boats ‒ 26 (+0) units,
submarines - 1 (+0) units,
vehicles and fuel tanks – 15,671 (+53) units,
special equipment / special equipment ‒ 1915 (+0)

This just in... U.S. Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, joined in with 165 Democratic House members to save his Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/TikTok bills from a procedural block attempted by ReTrumplican House members. A full vote on the bills is expected over the weekend:

Marjorie Greene, a.k.a. Moscow Marjorie, and her fellow Russia-supporting U.S. House of Representatives members are about to be rendered irrelevant:

General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
1 hour ·
The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 20.04.24 were approximately:
of personnel / personnel ‒ about 458,580 (+750) persons / persons,
tanks ‒ 7213 (+8) units,
armored fighting vehicles / APV ‒ 13873 (+21) units,
artillery systems – 11,678 (+20) units,
RSZV / MLRS – 1046 (+0) units,
anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 763 (+1) units,
aircraft – 348 (+1) units,
helicopters – 325 (+0) units,
UAV operational-tactical level – 9341 (+30),
cruise missiles ‒ 2109 (+13),
ships / boats / warships / boats ‒ 26 (+0) units,
submarines - 1 (+0) units,
vehicles and fuel tanks – 15717 (+46) units,
special equipment / special equipment ‒ 1918 (+3)

JohnnyRy wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:34 am Marjorie Greene, a.k.a. Moscow Marjorie, and her fellow Russia-supporting U.S. House of Representatives members are about to be rendered irrelevant:

But why was the bill held up for the last 4 months Oh that's right, real republicans were demanding money for the southern border be included, did that happen ... er no. So Johnson is really just another swamp dweller in disguise, expect he will probably go the same way as McCarthy.

Ukr demographics say Ukr cannot survive. This ultimate, crucial point still seems lost on many. The Biden admin need this shitshow to keep rolling on until the November elections then that's it, they can walk away.

Just to remind people of the math (Kiev-based economist Alexey Kushch in above vid 'Karma comes for Ukraine')

The Ukr population will be down to 25 mil at the end of the conflict. Pensioners, the disabled and children will make up 18 mil of that 25 mil and the total population will decrease by 250,000 a year until the country crashes completely. That's it.

Ukraine's fate is already sealed.

But what the heck, let the killing carry on anyway.

Also important to remind people, as I've been routinely pointing out, Russian war is totally different to the western concept. Russia is not concerned with territorial gain at all. The objective is the destruction of the opposing army and you do that at the place of your choosing, after that you can walk to wherever you want to go.

Ukraine is Heading for Defeat - with or without Congress' $$$ w/Col Jacques Baud