Trump’s most recent post on social media is a real indication that he is on the verge of walking away from project Ukraine completely.
Trump has issued an ultimatum not to Putin but to NATO leaders and it's also a trap, the predictable outcome will allow the US to wash its hands of the whole affair, not the victory Trump was hoping for but not a defeat either. That’ll be left for the Europeans to swallow.
First it was a private communique from Trump which had them worried but they thought they could keep it all under cover but then Trump went public.
The social media post was a copy of a letter he had sent to all NATO members telling them that if they did not immediately stop buying Russian oil and start with 100% sanctions on Russia, China and India then the US would not be imposing any further sanctions on China or India as the European leadership are demanding.
Given that the Europeans have just said no to that proposal knowing it would spell financial ruin they will not comply with Trump’s ultimatum (which Trump expects) and so ends America’s continuing escalation to pressure Russia to the negotiating table.
Trump said in his post that ‘the other NATO countries were wasting America’s time and money’ because they were not serious about assisting Ukraine 100%.
Trump doesn’t need to actually walk away from project Ukraine because he has effectively already done so. He has already handed over responsibility to the Europeans and they can buy weapons for Ukraine if they like. There is nothing else for Trump to do because he really has no leverage over Putin at all.
As for the insistence that the Russian economic collapse is imminent see the pro-Ukraine Willy channel video linked below with an interview with an economist.
Yes the Russian GDP will be down from the 4% of last year due to rebalancing but there is a long way to go before you could say the economy was under stress and it was continuing to perform better than Western economies.
There is talk that since the claimed Ukraine army deaths data hack the Pentagon has decided to ‘reassess’ the official figures supplied to them by Ukrainian intelligence.
It should be interesting.
Reminder that the figures from the hack (1.7 mill Ukrainians killed or missing in action) was very close to unofficial figures that were claimed to be from back channels within US intel before the Ukraine army hack news came out.
On the battlefronts there are now confirmed Russian presents within the cities of Siversk, Kupiansk and Konstantinovka. Russian officials say the Ukraine army has abandoned most of their positions in Kupinask.
Ukrainian Strikes & Russia's Promised Economic Collapse - The Stark Reality | Economic Expert
Collapse for Ukraine - Russia officially entered Konstantinovka - Battle of the year!
Col Doug Macgregor: KEEPING RUSSIA at WAR
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1753Well... they stopped running away (Brexit, Frexit...). They rallied in the face of an external enemy.Ogee wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 7:13 pm ‘the other NATO countries were wasting America’s time and money’
Now it's enough to talk to Ursula, and everything will be fine.
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1754
2 hours
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 16.09.25 were approximately /
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 16.09.25
personnel – about / about 1096430 (+910) persons
tanks / tanks – 11184 (+0) from
armored combat vehicles / troop-carrying AFVs – 23274 (+5) from
artillery systems / artillery systems – 32810 (+26) from
MLRS / MLRS – 1490 (+2) from
anti-aircraft systems / anti-aircraft systems – 1217 (+0) from
aircraft / aircraft – 422 (+0) from
helicopters – 341 (+0)
UAV operational-tactical level – 59719 (+310)
cruise missiles – 3718 (+0)
warships – 28 (+0)
submarines – 1 (+0)
vehicles and fuel tanks – 61770 (+72)
special equipment – 3965 (+0)
"Only the price on the chart can show the entrance to the deal..."
Re: WW3 Countdown
1756Trump knows the Europeans won’t sanction China and India so he will be free to walk away from the Ukraine conflict.
Turkey will not shut down the Turkstream pipeline committing financial suicide as the Germans did.
Western Europe will not shut down cheap Chinese imports and trigger the inevitable rampant inflation on top of their already failing economies.
The Trump administration must know this.
So then there is no role for US troops, no role for a US lead in sanctions, no role as a direct supplier to Ukraine, then effectively the US is out.
This is dawning on the Europeans too so the Polish PM says how about the US starting a no fly zone over Ukraine (or at least western Ukraine) to protect us from all these terrifying decoy drones.
Not going to happen, what was interesting was that Trump was not drawn into the European leadership’s fake hysteria of supposedly the Russians flying decoy drones over the Polish border. In reality the drones never had the range to fly that far without being refueled in Ukraine. Trump wasn’t fooled by the fake European shock so the false flag op failed and the Europeans and Zelensky were very annoyed.
Meanwhile, as Trump is working this tack of extricating the US from the conflict, in typical US schizophrenic foreign policy style, Kellogg and Graham were working completely different tacks of their own.
Kellogg is in Kiev telling anyone who will listen that Ukraine is winning the war and that Russian losses are so horrendous they must collapse soon. Or at least that's what the Ukrainians are telling him.
None of this is even remotely true and is in fact demonstrably false.
Lindsay Graham is saying the sanctions on Russia are not working so they need more to bring the Russian economy to its knees, forgetting there’s nothing the Russians have left to sanction, and trying to sanction China already failed during the trade war
The desperation from the warmongers in the west is getting obvious.
‘Oh but the Russians are moving so slowly’. Yes they are and it's because they are demolishing everything in their path, they do not need to worry about what's behind them because there is nothing behind them.
It's effective and permanent.
The only question now is where will they stop? That will depend on when the Ukrainians say ‘enough’...
And whether the western neocons will let them. There has been so much geopolitical capital invested in this conflict by the west that Ukraine must win and Russia must lose.
NATO’s continuing existence is at stake, salvaging western global hegemony is at stake, and their own personal reputations and careers are at stake.
Trump might be trying to pull out but US generals in NATO are still in Germany directing Ukrainian strikes on Russia using targeting information from US satellites.
Douglas Macgregor: 500 Years of Dominance Have Come to an End
Turkey will not shut down the Turkstream pipeline committing financial suicide as the Germans did.
Western Europe will not shut down cheap Chinese imports and trigger the inevitable rampant inflation on top of their already failing economies.
The Trump administration must know this.
So then there is no role for US troops, no role for a US lead in sanctions, no role as a direct supplier to Ukraine, then effectively the US is out.
This is dawning on the Europeans too so the Polish PM says how about the US starting a no fly zone over Ukraine (or at least western Ukraine) to protect us from all these terrifying decoy drones.
Not going to happen, what was interesting was that Trump was not drawn into the European leadership’s fake hysteria of supposedly the Russians flying decoy drones over the Polish border. In reality the drones never had the range to fly that far without being refueled in Ukraine. Trump wasn’t fooled by the fake European shock so the false flag op failed and the Europeans and Zelensky were very annoyed.
Meanwhile, as Trump is working this tack of extricating the US from the conflict, in typical US schizophrenic foreign policy style, Kellogg and Graham were working completely different tacks of their own.
Kellogg is in Kiev telling anyone who will listen that Ukraine is winning the war and that Russian losses are so horrendous they must collapse soon. Or at least that's what the Ukrainians are telling him.
None of this is even remotely true and is in fact demonstrably false.
Lindsay Graham is saying the sanctions on Russia are not working so they need more to bring the Russian economy to its knees, forgetting there’s nothing the Russians have left to sanction, and trying to sanction China already failed during the trade war
The desperation from the warmongers in the west is getting obvious.
‘Oh but the Russians are moving so slowly’. Yes they are and it's because they are demolishing everything in their path, they do not need to worry about what's behind them because there is nothing behind them.
It's effective and permanent.
The only question now is where will they stop? That will depend on when the Ukrainians say ‘enough’...
And whether the western neocons will let them. There has been so much geopolitical capital invested in this conflict by the west that Ukraine must win and Russia must lose.
NATO’s continuing existence is at stake, salvaging western global hegemony is at stake, and their own personal reputations and careers are at stake.
Trump might be trying to pull out but US generals in NATO are still in Germany directing Ukrainian strikes on Russia using targeting information from US satellites.
Douglas Macgregor: 500 Years of Dominance Have Come to an End
Re: WW3 Countdown
1757
2 hours
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 17.09.25 were approximately /
The estimated total combat losses of the enemy
from 24.02.22 to 17.09.25
personnel – about / about 1097450 (+1020) persons
tanks / tanks – 11189 (+5) from
troop-carrying AFVs – 23277 (+3) from
artillery systems / artillery systems – 32846 (+36) from
MLRS / MLRS – 1490 (+0) from
anti-aircraft systems / anti-aircraft systems – 1217 (+0) from
aircraft / aircraft – 422 (+0) from
helicopters – 341 (+0)
UAV operational-tactical level – 60079 (+360)
cruise missiles – 3718 (+0)
warships – 28 (+0)
submarines – 1 (+0)
vehicles and fuel tanks – 61878 (+108)
special equipment – 3965 (+0)
"Only the price on the chart can show the entrance to the deal..."
Re: WW3 Countdown
1759Coalition of the unWilling caught in Groundhog Day.
There is the basic idea in the EU leadership that Russia does not have a veto over NATO troops in Ukraine despite the fact that Russia absolutely, demonstrably does.
Demonstrated by the fact that no NATO troops will go into Ukraine without Putin's permission.
The US definitely will not go without it because they know it will be the start of WW3 while the Europeans keep saying they will but lack the leadership to direct such a move.
There is no head of the EU who could order such a move and just as well really because it would be a very stupid thing to do, which they probably do realise but want to keep the posture of bull and bluster going just for the look of the thing.
So they are caught in ground hog day but whereas in the film each day the protagonist changes something to work towards achieving a result while the European leadership just repeat the same actions then call it a day, because it’s all fake.
Ukrainian ultra-nationalist Maria Berlinska has lashed out at the Europeans as being spineless clowns and though she’s right she’s forgetting that Ukraine is the proxy here not the EU/UK.
The EU/UK never said they would commit suicide for the sake of Ukraine, not that Ukraine said they would either but the Biden admin repeated often that it was up to Ukraine to decide when to stop, so far they never have but perhaps they should be seriously thinking of doing so before there’s nothing left of their country to save.
Ukraine army chief Syrsky just sacked 2 commanders who pulled their troops back during an overwhelming Russian advance in Zaporizhia. The Russians are saying they have taken 4 villages in Zaporizhia without much opposition because much of the Ukrainian frontline has been stripped to send troops to the Donbas.
NATO Will Never Bring Russia to its Knees /Patrik Baab & Lt Col Daniel Davis
There is the basic idea in the EU leadership that Russia does not have a veto over NATO troops in Ukraine despite the fact that Russia absolutely, demonstrably does.
Demonstrated by the fact that no NATO troops will go into Ukraine without Putin's permission.
The US definitely will not go without it because they know it will be the start of WW3 while the Europeans keep saying they will but lack the leadership to direct such a move.
There is no head of the EU who could order such a move and just as well really because it would be a very stupid thing to do, which they probably do realise but want to keep the posture of bull and bluster going just for the look of the thing.
So they are caught in ground hog day but whereas in the film each day the protagonist changes something to work towards achieving a result while the European leadership just repeat the same actions then call it a day, because it’s all fake.
Ukrainian ultra-nationalist Maria Berlinska has lashed out at the Europeans as being spineless clowns and though she’s right she’s forgetting that Ukraine is the proxy here not the EU/UK.
The EU/UK never said they would commit suicide for the sake of Ukraine, not that Ukraine said they would either but the Biden admin repeated often that it was up to Ukraine to decide when to stop, so far they never have but perhaps they should be seriously thinking of doing so before there’s nothing left of their country to save.
Ukraine army chief Syrsky just sacked 2 commanders who pulled their troops back during an overwhelming Russian advance in Zaporizhia. The Russians are saying they have taken 4 villages in Zaporizhia without much opposition because much of the Ukrainian frontline has been stripped to send troops to the Donbas.
NATO Will Never Bring Russia to its Knees /Patrik Baab & Lt Col Daniel Davis
Re: WW3 Countdown
1760Latest update; newly mobilised 60 year olds can now be sent straight to the front new law states. We all knew that was going to be the case when the mobilisation age was raised a few weeks ago. Initially the 60 year olds were going to be placed in back fill positions but that didn’t last long.
I wonder if we can expect to see Zelensk’s father on the frontline anytime soon?
Ukrainian generals at a conference in Kiev say that though they have manpower issues they can be overcome by the use of robots and drones, especially when looking at a ‘generational time frame’.
So Ukrainian army generals are saying now that they need robots and drones to replace men (because they don’t have any men left) and that this conflict will now be fought on a generation time frame.
They are ignoring the fact that the Ukraine army will be lucky to last the year's end. Still, if they were likely to tell the truth they definitely would not have been invited to speak at an international conference in Kiev.
The key point is the total lack of any recognition of anything coming close to reality, having the face to spout such delusional nonsense usually only happens in the face of imminent disaster.
They also seem to think that they have the technological edge in robots and drones over the Russians if not in actual production, but even that thought would seem to be optimistic given the new jet powered Russian long range drones.
Money remains a major problem for Ukraine, the Europeans are full of talk but are just not coming up with the goods, not to the tune of $60 billion a year they were getting from good old Joe anyway.
Zelensky is determined to continue with that famous military strategy of sitting and waiting for a million to 1 miracle to come along. Other than that there is no plan, Zelensky is literally watching Ukrainians die in their hundreds every day in the hope something might turn up.
Strategic planners don’t do that, if they know there’s nothing in the pipeline then some other plan is needed. Just sitting there dreaming while thousands die is what drug addicted narcissistic psychopaths do (think Al Pacino in Scarface).
Those in the west are not any better, instead of looking for an end to the conflict they are trying to find a way to keep it going until it completely turns around so that Ukraine is winning and then they can seek talks. So, err, maybe if they give Ukraine weapons and money and place sanctions on Russia? Groundhog Day again.
They already gave all the weapons, and even $60 billion didn’t make any difference, and there aren’t any more sanctions that can be placed on Russia. Trying to hurt India and China to get to Russia will do more harm to the US and will kill off Europe completely.
They know all this but just refuse to admit it, not so long as there are still thousands of Ukrainians to be rounded up and forced to the front.
And there’s still that million to 1 chance might come along don’t forget
KIA body exchange disparity between Ukraine and Russia but, apparently, according to General Kellogg, Ukraine is winning and it's Russia that is suffering horrendous losses.
From Larry Johnson Sonar 21.
Trump's Blunders in Middle East, Ukraine Russia War /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Larry Johnson
Trump demands European economic seppuku. Kellogg declares victory
I wonder if we can expect to see Zelensk’s father on the frontline anytime soon?
Ukrainian generals at a conference in Kiev say that though they have manpower issues they can be overcome by the use of robots and drones, especially when looking at a ‘generational time frame’.
So Ukrainian army generals are saying now that they need robots and drones to replace men (because they don’t have any men left) and that this conflict will now be fought on a generation time frame.
They are ignoring the fact that the Ukraine army will be lucky to last the year's end. Still, if they were likely to tell the truth they definitely would not have been invited to speak at an international conference in Kiev.
The key point is the total lack of any recognition of anything coming close to reality, having the face to spout such delusional nonsense usually only happens in the face of imminent disaster.
They also seem to think that they have the technological edge in robots and drones over the Russians if not in actual production, but even that thought would seem to be optimistic given the new jet powered Russian long range drones.
Money remains a major problem for Ukraine, the Europeans are full of talk but are just not coming up with the goods, not to the tune of $60 billion a year they were getting from good old Joe anyway.
Zelensky is determined to continue with that famous military strategy of sitting and waiting for a million to 1 miracle to come along. Other than that there is no plan, Zelensky is literally watching Ukrainians die in their hundreds every day in the hope something might turn up.
Strategic planners don’t do that, if they know there’s nothing in the pipeline then some other plan is needed. Just sitting there dreaming while thousands die is what drug addicted narcissistic psychopaths do (think Al Pacino in Scarface).
Those in the west are not any better, instead of looking for an end to the conflict they are trying to find a way to keep it going until it completely turns around so that Ukraine is winning and then they can seek talks. So, err, maybe if they give Ukraine weapons and money and place sanctions on Russia? Groundhog Day again.
They already gave all the weapons, and even $60 billion didn’t make any difference, and there aren’t any more sanctions that can be placed on Russia. Trying to hurt India and China to get to Russia will do more harm to the US and will kill off Europe completely.
They know all this but just refuse to admit it, not so long as there are still thousands of Ukrainians to be rounded up and forced to the front.
And there’s still that million to 1 chance might come along don’t forget
KIA body exchange disparity between Ukraine and Russia but, apparently, according to General Kellogg, Ukraine is winning and it's Russia that is suffering horrendous losses.
From Larry Johnson Sonar 21.
Trump's Blunders in Middle East, Ukraine Russia War /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Larry Johnson
Trump demands European economic seppuku. Kellogg declares victory
