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Decoding the strategies behind stop hunting algorithms and market maker traps.
Let's break down these concepts:

Stop Hunting Algorithms:
What It Is:
Stop hunting is when the price is manipulated to trigger stop-loss orders placed by other traders, often to benefit those who can influence market liquidity, like big players or institutional traders.

How It Works:

Identification: Algorithms or traders identify where clusters of stop-loss orders are likely placed. These are often just below round numbers, support levels, or trend lines where retail traders typically set their stops.
Triggering: With enough market power, these entities push the price to these levels. This can be done by selling enough to drop the price or buying to raise it, depending on where the stops are.
Execution: As stops are hit, this often leads to a cascade of further selling or buying, exacerbating the price movement. The stop hunters then enter their positions at a better price after the stops have cleared out.
Reversal: After achieving their goal, the price might reverse, leaving many traders who had their stops hit out of the market or at a loss.

Strategies to Avoid Being Hunted:

Use Stop-Limit Orders: Instead of market orders for stops, which execute at any price, limit orders can prevent execution at an unexpectedly bad price.
Position Stops Wisely: Place stops where it's less obvious or use wider stop-loss margins if your strategy allows.
Mental Stops: Use mental stops if you can watch the market closely. This means you decide when to exit based on market movement rather than setting an automatic order.

Market Maker Traps:
What They Are:
Market makers are supposed to provide liquidity, but sometimes they might engage in practices that can trap less-informed traders.

Common Traps:

False Breakouts: They might push the price to break through a key level, encouraging traders to jump in, only to reverse the price soon after, trapping those traders in losing positions.
Quote Stuffing: Flooding the market with a large number of orders and cancellations in milliseconds to confuse or slow down other traders or algorithms.
Liquidity Mirage: Showing large bids or asks to suggest support or resistance, which disappears when the price gets close, often leading to slippage.

How to Navigate:

Price Action Analysis: Learn to read price action rather than just relying on indicators. Price action can often reveal when a breakout might be false.
Depth of Market: Look at the order book if possible. Spikes in volume at certain levels might indicate manipulation.
Stay Skeptical: If a breakout or price movement seems too good to be true, or if it happens with no significant news or volume, it might be worth waiting for confirmation.
Use Technology: Employ trading tools or platforms that offer advanced order types or better visibility into market depth to see through some of these manipulations.

General Advice:

Education: Continuously educate yourself on market mechanics and behavior.
Patience: Don't rush into trades. Market opportunities are like buses; there's always another one coming.
Risk Management: Always employ risk management strategies. No matter how clever the market makers are, if you manage your risk, you limit your exposure to these traps.

Remember, while these insights can help, no strategy is foolproof. Markets are inherently unpredictable, and part of being a trader is accepting risk. The goal is to manage that risk while seeking to understand the playground you're in, including the games played by those with more control over the swing
Xard777

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Order Block and Pressure Point in the Market

In trading terminology, an Order Block and a Pressure Point in the market are concepts often used in technical analysis and more specifically in strategies involving market psychology and order flow. Here's how they relate and differ:

Order Block:
Definition: An order block in trading is a price area where significant buying or selling interest was previously observed. It's essentially a zone where traders or institutions placed a substantial number of orders, which can act as a future support or resistance level.
Usage: Traders look at order blocks as areas where the market might reverse or at least show some reaction. This is based on the assumption that the traders or entities who placed those large orders might enter the market again at these levels to either reinforce their positions or to close out for profit.
Visual Identification: On a chart, an order block might look like a consolidation or a range where the price spent considerable time before making a significant move. It's often identified by a series of candles showing indecision or balance between buyers and sellers before a breakout or breakdown.

Pressure Point:
Definition: A pressure point can be thought of more broadly as any critical level in the market where price shows sensitivity. This could include but isn't limited to order blocks. It's where traders expect significant buying or selling pressure due to various reasons like psychological levels, previous highs or lows, trend lines, or technical indicators like moving averages.
Connotation: The term "pressure point" might not be as specifically defined in trading literature as "order block," but it implies areas where the market feels "pressure" from either side, leading to potential price movement or a breakout.
Usage: Traders might look for pressure points to time their entries or exits, expecting that these points could lead to price rejections, continuations, or significant volatility.

Relation and Interpretation:
Synonymous Use: In some contexts, traders might use these terms interchangeably when referring to key levels where significant trading activity has occurred or is expected.
Distinct Concepts: However, an order block is more about a block of orders that once influenced the market, often leading to the belief that it might do so again. A pressure point could be any critical juncture in price action, including where order blocks exist, but also where other forms of market psychology or technical setups come into play.

Trading Strategy:
Order Blocks: You might wait for the price to return to an order block to enter trades in the direction of the last significant move from that block, assuming the initial interest might still be there.
Pressure Points: You're looking at these for signs of potential breakouts, bounces, or breakdowns. Here, you're more concerned with the current market dynamics and less with the historical order placement.

In Practice:
When trading, if you identify an order block, you're recognizing a past pressure point where significant trading decisions were made. If the market approaches this level again, that block might again become a pressure point where traders decide whether to push through, reverse, or stall.

Understanding these concepts helps traders to map out where the market might have significant reactions, giving them better entry and exit points for their strategies. However, like all trading concepts, they are not foolproof and should be used in conjunction with other forms of analysis and proper risk management.

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How SMC and ICT Secretly Copied the Wyckoff Trading Method | Smart Money Concept.

The Smart Money Concept (SMC) and Inner Circle Trader's (ICT) methodologies, while presented as innovative or evolved trading strategies, have indeed drawn significant inspiration from the classic Wyckoff Method developed by Richard D. Wyckoff in the early 20th century. Here's how these modern trading concepts align with, or "secretly copied" from, Wyckoff's principles:

Understanding Market Operations:

Wyckoff: Focused on understanding the market through the lens of how large operators (now often referred to as "smart money") accumulate, mark up, distribute, and mark down stock prices. Wyckoff's method involves phases like accumulation, markup, distribution, and markdown.

SMC/ICT: These concepts similarly emphasize tracking the movements of "smart money." They teach traders to identify where these entities are likely to place their trades through order blocks, fair value gaps, and breaks of market structure, which are essentially modern terms for Wyckoff's accumulation and distribution areas.

Price and Volume Analysis:

Wyckoff: His method heavily relies on price action and volume to understand the market's supply and demand dynamics, pivotal in determining the phases of the market cycle.

SMC/ICT: They use price action as well but introduce terms like "break of structure" (BOS) and focus on liquidity grabs, which can be seen as nuanced interpretations of Wyckoff's volume and price analysis where breaks in structure might indicate transitions between Wyckoff's market phases.

Market Phases and Trading Cycles:

Wyckoff: Identified specific cycles in the market, from accumulation to distribution, teaching traders to trade in harmony with these cycles.

SMC/ICT: While not always labeled as cycles, the concepts like "manipulation" of price to grab liquidity before a move, could be viewed as detailing what happens within Wyckoff's accumulation or distribution phases, albeit with a focus on shorter-term manipulations.

Psychological Insight and Behavioral Patterns:

Wyckoff: Emphasized understanding the psychology behind market moves, suggesting that the market behaves like a single entity or "Composite Operator."

SMC/ICT: They often talk about the psychology of the market but frame it around how retail traders are trapped by smart money, which essentially is a more contemporary narrative of Wyckoff's insights into market manipulation by larger players.

Education and Application:

Wyckoff: He was keen on educating traders on recognizing the signs of when stocks were being accumulated or distributed, using charts and point-and-figure charts for precise entries and exits.

SMC/ICT: Both advocate for an educational approach where traders learn to read the "true" market narrative through price movements, often claiming to offer a more 'decoded' version of market mechanics.

The secret copying or adaptation lies in how SMC and ICT have rebranded these principles:

Terminology: They've introduced new terminology for concepts that Wyckoff described decades ago. For instance, what Wyckoff might describe as an area of accumulation, SMC might call an "order block" where smart money is likely to enter or exit trades.

Presentation: While Wyckoff's methods were presented in the context of stock market operations of his time, SMC and ICT frame these insights within the context of modern forex, futures, and stock markets, with an emphasis on algorithmic and high-frequency trading impacts.

Narrative: SMC and ICT often market their strategies as revealing the 'secrets' of market makers or smart money moves, which, while sounding novel, essentially encapsulates Wyckoff's teachings on how large operators influence market trends.

In essence, while SMC and ICT might not explicitly credit Wyckoff for every aspect of their teaching, the foundational principles they operate on are deeply rooted in Wyckoff's methodologies, repackaged for the digital trading age with new jargon and perhaps a bit more flair.


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Hello XARD,
Is it possible to add the signature " COMPOUND INTEREST 'He who understands it, earns it... He who does not, pays it.'" to XU v17? I love the signature. It could have the option of removing it for those who don't want it. Thanks
Mundu

XARD: I will get round to it over the weekend. I am still in post op recovery from surgery a few weeks ago and tbh I have just been chilling and doing nothing. I am looking forward to swimming again hopefully in a couple of weeks time but for now I am taking it easy and watching movies and tv shows and catching up on some educational videos.
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xard777 wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:29 am How SMC and ICT Secretly Copied the Wyckoff Trading Method | Smart Money Concept.

The Smart Money Concept (SMC) and Inner Circle Trader's (ICT) methodologies, while presented as innovative or evolved trading strategies, have indeed drawn significant inspiration from the classic Wyckoff Method developed by Richard D. Wyckoff in the early 20th century. Here's how these modern trading concepts align with, or "secretly copied" from, Wyckoff's principles:

Understanding Market Operations:

Wyckoff: Focused on understanding the market through the lens of how large operators (now often referred to as "smart money") accumulate, mark up, distribute, and mark down stock prices. Wyckoff's method involves phases like accumulation, markup, distribution, and markdown.

SMC/ICT: These concepts similarly emphasize tracking the movements of "smart money." They teach traders to identify where these entities are likely to place their trades through order blocks, fair value gaps, and breaks of market structure, which are essentially modern terms for Wyckoff's accumulation and distribution areas.

Price and Volume Analysis:

Wyckoff: His method heavily relies on price action and volume to understand the market's supply and demand dynamics, pivotal in determining the phases of the market cycle.

SMC/ICT: They use price action as well but introduce terms like "break of structure" (BOS) and focus on liquidity grabs, which can be seen as nuanced interpretations of Wyckoff's volume and price analysis where breaks in structure might indicate transitions between Wyckoff's market phases.

Market Phases and Trading Cycles:

Wyckoff: Identified specific cycles in the market, from accumulation to distribution, teaching traders to trade in harmony with these cycles.

SMC/ICT: While not always labeled as cycles, the concepts like "manipulation" of price to grab liquidity before a move, could be viewed as detailing what happens within Wyckoff's accumulation or distribution phases, albeit with a focus on shorter-term manipulations.

Psychological Insight and Behavioral Patterns:

Wyckoff: Emphasized understanding the psychology behind market moves, suggesting that the market behaves like a single entity or "Composite Operator."

SMC/ICT: They often talk about the psychology of the market but frame it around how retail traders are trapped by smart money, which essentially is a more contemporary narrative of Wyckoff's insights into market manipulation by larger players.

Education and Application:

Wyckoff: He was keen on educating traders on recognizing the signs of when stocks were being accumulated or distributed, using charts and point-and-figure charts for precise entries and exits.

SMC/ICT: Both advocate for an educational approach where traders learn to read the "true" market narrative through price movements, often claiming to offer a more 'decoded' version of market mechanics.

The secret copying or adaptation lies in how SMC and ICT have rebranded these principles:

Terminology: They've introduced new terminology for concepts that Wyckoff described decades ago. For instance, what Wyckoff might describe as an area of accumulation, SMC might call an "order block" where smart money is likely to enter or exit trades.

Presentation: While Wyckoff's methods were presented in the context of stock market operations of his time, SMC and ICT frame these insights within the context of modern forex, futures, and stock markets, with an emphasis on algorithmic and high-frequency trading impacts.

Narrative: SMC and ICT often market their strategies as revealing the 'secrets' of market makers or smart money moves, which, while sounding novel, essentially encapsulates Wyckoff's teachings on how large operators influence market trends.

In essence, while SMC and ICT might not explicitly credit Wyckoff for every aspect of their teaching, the foundational principles they operate on are deeply rooted in Wyckoff's methodologies, repackaged for the digital trading age with new jargon and perhaps a bit more flair.


I have always liked very much the “SMC” strategy.
Xard have you never thought about implementing the basic concepts of this strategy (Order Blocks, CHoCH, BOS, etc..) to your great system? ;)

XARD: I might do something similar next time. I have been trying to cut back on how much info is displayed on the screen.
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