And still no response from the west on Russia's recent escalation of the conflict except to condem the referenda, almost as if they don't support democracy all of a sudden

Interesting article on the history of the conflict and an assessment of the current situation from Scott Ritter, a former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control treaties.


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/22/s ... whirlwind/


''For its part, Russia considers itself already to be in a war with the West. “We are really at war with…NATO and with the collective West,” Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.''

vvFish wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:25 pm

Ukraine is a land of Heroes!

The fund of the Lviv Historical Museum was replenished with the original map of Ukraine in 1918. It was donated to the museum by a private individual. A unique card was accidentally acquired by him back in Soviet times.

Scientists say that this is a discovery in Ukrainian cartography. After all, until that time, only a map of the Ukrainian lands by Ivan Velichko in 1896 was known. The map of 1918, published in Austria, for the first time marked the state borders of Ukraine, which were recognized by Russia during the peace treaty with Ukraine of 1918.
The map says - "Map of Ukraine 1918". It shows the borders of the UNR as of October 1918. Then the Ukrainian state belonged to the Eastern Slobozhanshchina, still occupied by Russia (modern Kursk and Voronezh regions - the wedge stretched for 250 kilometers) and, of course, Crimea. “Without a doubt, Crimea was then part of Ukraine. This map is designed so that contemporaries, on the basis of a document, and this is a map-document, which was published in Vienna by a well-known company, could see what Ukraine was like in 1918, how these borders have changed,” said the chairman of the Ukraine- Russia" Rostislav Novozhenets.

Historian Ivan Svarnik considers this map "a sensational original document", because it is the first map of Ukraine as a state, it was the first to show state borders.

Maps of Ukraine of 1918 were purposefully destroyed in Soviet times* and for its storage one could get up to 10 years in prison.
http://kievinfo.in/archives/1237.html

Please, as if that meant anything. Here is a map of the Austrian Hungarian empire from1914. You see how big Austria was at that time. Thus it's pure nonsense to refer to that in 2022.
What disturbs me is the documented Genocide carried out by your regimes in the Eastern Part of the Ukraine for many years. But of course the West looks the other way, using the Ukraine as a pawn to maintain their intended destruction of the Russian economy. So far it has severely backfired. It's them who destroy their economy. Now they want to punish Hungary, depriving them of 7.5 Billion Euros for the lack of fundamental rights and democracy because they do not want to commit economic suicide and still buy gas from Russia. Yet they they sent 19 Billion to the Ukraine. No democracy (opposition parties are banned), no fundamental rights, a Nazi dictatorship, simply put a legal cesspool. The West is F* sick.