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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:01 pm
by regit
When dealing with chaotic space, I assume this is at least 3-dimensional. But with financial time series, I see only 2 dimensions. So, is the space of the time series indeed 3D but we are privy only to the 2-D view with it's limitations in presenting a 3-D space, or is the time series in fact 2-D, and any seeming anomalies are from other sources, such as chosen scaling factor and chosen timeframe?

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:10 pm
by Darkdoji
Chickenspicy wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:03 pm first 4hr trade looks okay to me
probably should of waited for persistent series
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Yes but your stop in the screenshot is worrisome and should be just behind the Aqua crown head (in my opinion).
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:37 pm
by Darkdoji
regit wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:01 pm When dealing with chaotic space, I assume this is at least 3-dimensional. But with financial time series, I see only 2 dimensions. So, is the space of the time series indeed 3D but we are privy only to the 2-D view with it's limitations in presenting a 3-D space, or is the time series in fact 2-D, and any seeming anomalies are from other sources, such as chosen scaling factor and chosen timeframe?
Your assumption is wrong chaos is 2-D view and strictly so. You must have forgotten what you learnt/saw for the Logistic Map (the mother of deterministic chaos)? https://www.complexity-explorables.org/ ... ic%20chaos. Look again.

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PS: Also study the Mandelbrot set. But these are academic issues that have nothing to do with trading application. Market space is 2 -D so I would focus on what has been brought to bear on improving your understanding of Orbit trading (the focus), not irrelevancies and academic musings such as this or you will not benefit from the effort to clarify Orbit more for people like you who have struggled so far to trade it at all rationally and directly benefit therefore.

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:41 pm
by dio889
hello first of all I wanted to thank you for sharing and all the work provided and I hope your health has improved.

I tried to read the 2 pdf but as my English is very average I do not understand much, would it be possible to explain on a screenshot each indicator and explain as simply as possible how to take an entry please?

thanks in advance

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:47 pm
by Darkdoji
dio889 wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:41 pm hello first of all I wanted to thank you for sharing and all the work provided and I hope your health has improved.

I tried to read the 2 pdf but as my English is very average I do not understand much, would it be possible to explain on a screenshot each indicator and explain as simply as possible how to take an entry please?

thanks in advance
Sorry would not be possible beyond Playbook and Rulebook read together. Really sorry about that.

Cheers,
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:37 am
by Darkdoji
regit wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:01 pm When dealing with chaotic space, I assume this is at least 3-dimensional. But with financial time series, I see only 2 dimensions. So, is the space of the time series indeed 3D but we are privy only to the 2-D view with it's limitations in presenting a 3-D space, or is the time series in fact 2-D, and any seeming anomalies are from other sources, such as chosen scaling factor and chosen timeframe?
@regit the other thing is that your ignorance of chaotic space may be general and due to the a basic fact. You have still not understood what chaos is and consider it a phenomenon of the temporal realm --NOT CORRECT. I had sworn to myself to keep away from this type of discussion because trading is not mathematics it is the space in which trading is done that is a mathematical construct - trading itself has no formula by which to undertake it --- so we should keep mathematics out of the thread as much as possible, but may be we make an exception this time and for this point because it is important.
Most people (and obviously that is how you think which is why you are confused about what dimension chaos is in study), think of chaos as something that exists in the real world. Not so. Chaos only exists in and because of computers. Take computers out of this world and chaos will disappear with it. How? Here is the sense. Chaos is behaviour in the numbers that disallows the prediction of phenomena that express as chaotic systems. The problem of chaos comes up only when you try to predict such systems nowhere else does a problem exist with such systems. In your physical and mental interaction with such systems you do not "see" chaos just behaviours that you may want to predict and when you try to do that on paper via the computer (2-D), you come up against chaos, it lives in the computer. In markets, chaos explains why price is unpredictable, which when expressed in fractal geometry clearly shows how the market becomes unpredictable long-term (I would argue any term), because its translations are fractures in time and are nonlinear and complexed to infinity.
So what I did is simply to say ok fine - we cannot predict you because you go about folding and stretching the space to which you map (think an imaginary 2 dimensional sheet of paper to which market transactions is written every second and less, and which paper (space), is being repeatedly folded and stretched by the data). So instead of trying to predict you sir we shall follow you point to point. Because you are deterministic (given the structure of the chaotic equation), knowing a first point means without knowing the next exactly in measure (you are unpredictable), we can follow you to your topological measure exactly. Why? Because you are bijective and using set theory manipulation we know this behaviour well---------------> domain to co domain and back (inverse on). We will put weighted pivots on you and track you from point to point and make you naked to our eyes to tell where you are going you shifty character. Simple requires not a single iota of intelligence to think as I have when you are trader looking for a way to win at no risk and every trader even a newbie understands how I thought and approached the problem when explained like this because any trader even a newbie would think the same. This is what has proved beyond most people conceptually - leading them to wild assumptions that detract from them EVER getting the hint so they make money trading more easily and far, far more surely. That is it my brother @regit ---> no need for pedantic thinking even where we are naturally inclined - drop it for practical methods given the truth exposed above and work towards how do we follow price so well that we succeed in the difficult task of winning every trade? How can we help ourselves doing it, NOT BY FINDING ANONOMALIES WHERE THERE ARE NONE SINCE WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW THE SPACE TO FIND NOMALIES MUCHLESS ANOMALIES? I hope you get the joke. But seriously lets help ourselves trade - it is a market not a mathematics laboratory.

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:16 am
by regit
Chickenspicy wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:03 pm first 4hr trade looks okay to me
probably should of waited for persistent series
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As far as "Should have waited for persistent series", I see far to the left a Magenta high. Subsequently, there is a 1-2-3 down Aqua sequence, but no Magenta low. So I would expect to see price remain below that Magenta high as it finds its way to a new low that is Magenta. (Also, on the Weekly, it most recently made a lower high that calls a low.)

Before you entered your sell, did the Aqua high appear earlier, such as where the red dot is to the left of it?

On which bar after the Aqua high did you enter?
Did you use a lower TF to refine your entry, or did you consult only what is shown in the screen capture?

(I agree with Darkdoji that the preferred technical SL is above that Aqua high.)

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:01 am
by Chickenspicy
Wasnt a good trade
should have followed the price action bullets

anybody know the exact meaning of the colors and dots?

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:19 pm
by Darkdoji
USING ORBIT FOR SHORT-TERM TRADES (700 - 2000 POINT MOVES OR MORE MEASURED FOR GOLD)
Using Orbit in short-term trades and scalping can be (to my mind), simple and extremely rewarding. We represent the tool that has a special short-term module added and fully allows a trader to trade short-term and scalp.
The understanding gained from The Orbit Playbook (scalper), which explains how to use the added scalper module also gives a powerful insight into how Orbit works in general (and in simpler terms for those using translators) -------> the hope this time is that people will now find it simple and clear to trade Orbit especially those using translators. There are just 2 trading steps and these are explained so simply I do not think anyone will find it difficult to understand including those using translators.
However, please do not mix up this tool version with those released earlier - it is very special in the sense that because it has the scalping module added it is much more powerful than the earlier versions released. Adding the scalper module meant recalculating the model to specifically affect how n or M1 works and this implied realignments across frames that make this version more powerful than anything we have released. This is the version I now use - recreated after getting feedback from users for the initial program reset version.

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:28 pm
by Darkdoji
Chickenspicy wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:01 am Wasnt a good trade
should have followed the price action bullets

anybody know the exact meaning of the colors and dots?
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Read pages 29 to 31 in "The Orbit Playbook" - to gain answers to your questions as they give step by step trading guidance. You may also wish to check out the new version with a scalping module added (I just posted that today) - may be more to your liking and or style of trading and pretty straightforward to understand. Just 2 simple trading steps.

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PS: To use the scalper you need to switch to the new scalper module added version of the tool which is more powerful than what you may have now.