When you use Trade Control visually observe the chaos from the fractal geometry that you can see with your eyes. See for example that when we have a point match (Trade Control point = 6n point), the first indication of a stop is not some indicator, it is the behaviour of price itself. You will observe that the matched point fractures (breaks up) and begins to redefine a pattern of inverse structure. Very interesting and if you keep an eye on Orbit Screenface soon (with some lag) you see yourself that you have a stop and start thinking what next? Which leads you to prepare for a trade of course after checking the location of price on the Strange Attractor, etc. The second important point about trade control fluctuations is the fluctuations relative to volatility bands provided. It is also visually interesting. But what is going on there? Why do we see this every time price is folding in FLE? Obviously it appears to be some kind of process ---> Yes it is a pattern of play where the mathematics says that there must be topological invariance between 2 spaces for the variable to translate from one to the other (think of homogeneity existing in the different spaces in the sense of the two becoming one). This is a dependency related to some timing mechanism as in chaos theory the selection of the initial valued sequence is not a random event. But the main point is this, watching the play and the breaking into and out of near space and far space as represented by price action and volatility band action while watching the registers on Screenface soon teaches the trader to time correctly and intuitively almost to the dot when price is ready to translate between two spaces near space and far space without the need for indicators. Orbit is not indicator driven it follows a bijective or homoeomorphic pattern. Indicators used merely help us to visualize what is going on and therefore what it means to us trading. But the price action itself is beyond the simplicity of indicators and rooted in the deterministic pattern of chaos. The moral is do not just focus on winning trades get engaged in timing them by observing for yourself the points made above. When something is visual you can use your language to describe what you see and do not need to bother about the math beyond the understanding that the math comprehends such price behaviour as you witness exactly. So you can trust Orbit signaling and of course soon your own head and eyes ----> everyone in the end has enough mathematics in him to be a chaotist just from observing fluctuations you start to see their fractal properties.

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PS: The simplest colloquial sense of understanding my points about topological invariance is that even when price has hit a high it does just start to fall because it hit a high. It follows a pattern that determines its next direction. The same for a low. So for instance Gold right now is in that situation and that is what you see in the holding pattern now reflected in Trade Control play. Observe that because of this and so far there is no significant change in screenface and the previous pattern remains as before so you cannot say we have a high to trade until there is topological invariance between the high point and its path through some low space on the attractor. Hope this helps.

Darkdoji wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:19 am

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Cool photo, man

"...See for example that when we have a point match (Trade Control point = 6n point), the first indication of a stop is not some indicator, it is the behaviour of price itself. You will observe that the matched point fractures (breaks up) and begins to redefine a pattern of inverse structure..."

"...The second important point about trade control fluctuations is the fluctuations relative to volatility bands provided. It is also visually interesting..."

Hi Samm,
can you explain a little more detailed how a pattern of inverse structure looks like and what you mean with the fluctuations in relationship with the bb stop indicator?

By the way, you look like a jazz musician ;-) .

You can see it yourself if you look and I would love for everyone to take more interest in the actual patterns we observe in trade control because it tells us much about the fractal geometry of markets as indeed what you see in trade control is the same as you in the tick chart (which people should observe more also from time to time), and the same all the way from 2n to 9n but as scale increases things look slower and more sparse that is all. So you can see it yourself. But to explain what is structure and that is just the relationships between and arrangement of the parts or elements of something complex (in this case a dynamical something). So think of the pattern as price for instance is falling, when it hits a stop at a low it fractures (no longer a single point on a Semaphore), but a fractal spiral going up and down initially in a tentative fashion then it becomes increasingly directed and rises strongly until it hits some high Semaphore point. So you can see that the pattern going up looks and behaves opposite to the pattern going down and that is what I mean and so nothing complex or so special your eyes cannot see or your mind would not understand but you need to take an interest in fractal behaviour. So that is what I mean. The volatility bands you watch and really keep an eye on to get used to. Fact is you see the behaviour when price is in FLE folding to stretch. It is interesting because among other things failure to break up or down is a bounce up or down and you can see this. Helps you appreciate the Screenface readings better (I think). Finally, I am a jazz musician for real and I am on Jango Radio (just type Samm Ikwue) and you get my music. But I am also on other sites I cannot recall just now. So yes I am a musician for real (I still write songs and have my guitar not too far from my trading studios). Any way cheers and I like your question. But fractal geometry is visual and really interesting because soon you start seeing forms you understand beyond M1 and they behave exactly the same and so if a form in M1 consistently shows itself when about to rise imagine the advantage if you saw same on MN.

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Okay, thx for clarification. I will watch out for pattern or typical price behavior after a stop.

It seems like you are known quite a bit. I noticed that you have an album on qobuz. But look at the genre. :P A musician and a mathematical mastermind, really nice.

Gold remains in FLE and tending toward circa 1980 discounting some of its up side poise. But if that is all great. However, until we see a bounce about the said level the possibility of price flipping completely south hangs over bulls. The thing with the FLE is that it is less tradable than a stretching range and also riskier. In stretching the fractal geometry of the flow structure changes markedly and we see the effect of the affine nature of market fractals more clearly. To say affine in a colloquial sense is to imply that one side trends longer than the other (given there are no pure flows in space ups have downs and downs ups), So when one side exhibits long duration in trend and relatively short duration in pullback that is the time to make the most money trading because the mix of ups and downs is fairly pure (the structure is markedly affine) and the space is multiplying our seed in one direction only for longer periods of time until amplitude. I favour holding trades rather than day trading for this reason. We hope for that kind of action once Gold breaks one way or another though one reads some northerly bias it is not conclusive.

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PS: My point is you cannot divorce the money you make from dynamics but timing dynamics accurately is tricky and requires topological thinking.

ForexFux wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:16 am Okay, thx for clarification. I will watch out for pattern or typical price behavior after a stop.

It seems like you are known quite a bit. I noticed that you have an album on qobuz. But look at the genre. :P A musician and a mathematical mastermind, really nice.

You who live in the west have a value standard that you have to be careful about here which is that we see you as quick to judge what you do not understand. I am a singer and songwriter with many works of which Taliban is one and I come from one of the freest countries on earth Nigeria. In my country artists are allowed to sing about what stimulates their creativity and we judge only by the artistic character of the work. Taliban is a song about the pain and instability that comes to disturb us frequently and an instability so far unresolved by military means and that has now spread to our region to the extent that we live in fear unknown to us before. This is what you will find in the lyrics. The song also titles the album because stemming religious violence as I have hinted is a social cause where I live and is the theme of the album. In the same album you will find a song I like very much, it is called "There is ONLY one God". The moral here is listen to the songs to judge the work and so find out the nature of the being behind the work who happens to be doing the same exact thing in trading at this time.

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PS: Just in case. But also see the global linkage's when you think of just yourself and lives alone. Africans suddenly under the gun with no resources to cope from a global spiral coming consistently from the middle east conflict. The world is a true village and now it concerns us as much as you.

When you work Trade Control consistently two points I want to make a) Why we painted the semaphores the way they are is strictly mathematical and to prove that the pattern is an equinumerous set of points with attendant implications (that is to prove to mathematicians). However, b) they also make for a pretty thing to watch (when you are not losing and under no pressure as such you actually get to look at the semaphores work the range. Soon you begin to see why they behave similarly to Romanesco Cabbages and many other fractals in nature. Mandelbrotian randomness has been dubbed the beautiful mathematics and that is why and so whether in the Mandelbrot Set or price dynamics as captured on MT4; fractals are a phenomenon to watch and consider (a form of art in a sense that awakens the mind to see beyond the immediate). My point is to get people to understand that what we are talking about here in trading has nothing to do with indicators. Nothing at all. We use indicators to explain them to our senses only and fractals exist as the intrinsic market shape. It is most critical to understand this and therefore that the laws that govern their shape are beyond the idea of indicators. To trust signals so that you can take them once you see them you must understand what I mean by the words I have just said. Otherwise it is still hard to win or be consistent or we enter late and find it hard to mange future states, etc. You must understand this thing conceptually as well so you know e.g. an MA has no properties to affect the market it is the market shaping the MA. Indicators do not explain the market, it is the market that explain indicators. Think about it.

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PS: Gold BTW appears to be making this painfully slow turn down but by Orbit we still read it as in a pullback from the earlier uprising.

The M30 Window for trading Chaos ?
Deterministic Trading is point to point trading and by that I mean 6n or H4 point to point whether we are folding or stretching space. It is simple but absolute. But I have been watching the market recently via the M30 or 4n window and found it interesting. First, as a partition it has the most complete set of Semaphores describing Intraday pivots and therefore b) traces the path of 6n or H4 more completely. However, my worry is how the would be Orbit trader would keep an eye on things so they know which of its points are H4 or 6n matches (the required begin and end points for moves). Otherwise, M30 does appear the best place to start deterministic trading. Seems more directly suited for matching Trade Control selected trades and trade them to indications. Also people in love with very short-term moves (scalps, etc) should also do fine. But my main concern remains getting lost (by which I mean forgetting to relate matches in M30 to H4 Semaphores). For instance below is the M30 window and as you can see all the trade points that appear in trade control show up pretty directly here. And frankly, they are so clear and easy isolated by trade control and entered on M30 I am shocked we still do not have mass reports of serial winnings at this time? What is going on? Is the approach not still understood?

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Still on M30 ------> see by how much space is being stretched? This is why even the best Bollinger Band strategy is still a random strategy. Chaos is not contained in 3 Standard Deviations. Secondly, what you see is NOT an M30 trend it is a move as with all moves even the tiniest an n -9n move. Signals that do not understand this are pretty robotic and do not help the trader mange trades for as much profit as is possible. So really we should not have 5M, 15M etc strategies, markets do not work like that and therefore you increase risk especially via trader error and apply rules blind to the actual dimensions available to you and worse the rules are based on fear founded on ignorance of the dynamics of a single point in bounded space which describes price exactly.

Note: A critical assumption I make is economic, and that is in all matters trading the rational trader seeks to maximise profit.


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PS: I have concluded that ONLY cloud control will make everyone see what I am talking about and in a way that actually enables them earn more the way chaos allows them to. But for those of us willing to brave the Prototype (which is very good on its own), we have to keep the logic in mind always and understand we do not really trade signals in Orbit but a concept. Orbit signals are inductive and tell the whole story from the begin of the first point to the end of the last point in a flow. You win always by learning to pace and follow it. Inductive means step by step which is why when you see the dark surface of a downfalling - Synchrony, to the degree we see it below, especially while price is still relatively high we should make money 100/100 times. Do not speculate as there is no need. Wait for the solution. If you do not see it do not trade and you will always win by Orbit even without cloud control. Also seeing green cyclicality tells us the future depends on those three and whether intraday momentum is strong enough to flip them otherwise the Intraday Cycle must cycle back to a new trend (which is what I suspect but cannot affirm in Gold)