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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:22 pm
by Darkdoji
I exited my last trade on Crown Low but TTo = Cy = Red
I combine my knowledge of the FLE with that of Risk-Free Space to decide that since I do not know at this point whether or not we have continuation, it is best to stay out and wait for 6n pivoting.
So although the level 1 command is as before I protect further against risk when we have such as this when temporarily we have a Crown to Crown condition (Y = X), and therefore the possibility of a change.
If we get a pivot high and commands level 1 and 2 still = true down I will resume down and if we have a change up in the pivoting process I will enter new direction.
Orbit allows me therefore to be sensible and logical without me having to predict ANYTHING AT ALL.

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PS: The version of Orbit I use is NOT the same as what everyone uses and is protected for now because among other things it has all the commands you need to manage the specific situation of Crown --------> Crown trades and would not like it exposed for now because these are usable parts for the cloud version. But from time to time I will expose certain parts. For instance nCy = nTTo works in the same way as Command 1 both in my version and in the version available. BUT ONLY FOR THE RANGE WHITEHEAD TO WHITEHEAD which is the shortest tradable diagonal. In the screenshot therefore we are having a pullback on that scale and hence exiting at Crown Low is justified as would exit at Crown High to confirm continuation before deciding trade action. So note and observe on your version that nCy = nTTo is a "leading" indicator at all times for which way price is headed. We have all the commands for complete trader control of trading space but we must protect the future of Orbit and easily flush out imitation on Cloud version since we know a lot is being taken from Orbit so far (mostly without acknowledgement as required), and we would like to show complete distance from such on Cloud release (so there will be no comparison). What we have in the prototype is just say a 1/3 or so of what the cloud can do. But learn to use the new additional command based on n yourself. Also learn to combine my post on FLE with the idea of command level 1 and risk free space. Important.
Note: Also the behaviour of 5n Cy = TTo for yourself in the version you have and decide what it does for you.

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:16 pm
by ImpLaNT
Samm, I think it would be very useful to show several of your trades (let's say 5 in a row) in real time.
That is, as soon as you open a position, you simply take a screenshot and post it to the thread. Then, when you have time and opportunity, you make a brief explanation of why and on what basis you entered the position. Close the position - also immediately take a screenshot, post it, and after the explanation.
If you make 5 trades in a row in this way, this will be the best guide to using the tool, as well as a demonstrative master class of its capabilities. What do you think about this??

P.S. I think the downward cycle in gold is not yet complete. Now we are in FLE. There must be some noticeable upward pullback to form 5n2y=6n1w, then continue the downward move. At the highs on the pullback, 1915 and 1919 looks good. It’s unlikely to go higher.... This is my personal opinion...
I know that you are against any predictions, but I can’t stop my head from thinking :).

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:29 pm
by Darkdoji
ImpLaNT wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:16 pm Samm, I think it would be very useful to show several of your trades (let's say 5 in a row) in real time.
That is, as soon as you open a position, you simply take a screenshot and post it to the thread. Then, when you have time and opportunity, you make a brief explanation of why and on what basis you entered the position. Close the position - also immediately take a screenshot, post it, and after the explanation.
If you make 5 trades in a row in this way, this will be the best guide to using the tool, as well as a demonstrative master class of its capabilities. What do you think about this??

P.S. I think the downward cycle in gold is not yet complete. Now we are in FLE. There must be some noticeable upward pullback to form 5n2y=6n1w, then continue the downward move. At the highs on the pullback, 1915 and 1919 looks good. It’s unlikely to go higher.... This is my personal opinion...
I know that you are against any predictions, but I can’t stop my head from thinking :).
@ImpLaNT nice you are around as your participation is bringing out things no one is saying. Such feedback I am sure is more helpful than you and I might both know but I think it is good. However, I have posted more than 20 of my trades on this thread and discussed most. Yesterday I posted an exact replica of your trade with comments. Again this is not "technical" analysis. Trade entry is very clear even to you as for instance I did nothing different than you in my trade yesterday. Am I correct? I think the problem is different -----------------------------> it is a problem of letting go off of what you think you know and trying to understand the meaning of the new. The commands are clear and of such a nature that you cannot learn their truth unless you actually try them. Then understanding why they work which is why I posted above some diagrams showing the meaning of risk-free space. In chaos from that you are free then to think all sorts. Lookback in history and say to yourself "so if this is true it means...." and workout the meaning to your trading including style. You still exhibit the weakness of those who follow signals and not the meaning of the signals. Some traders use the presence of a pin head to enter trades and swear by it. But if I ask you to tell me why that works you might not know at all but still include it in a "system". In the diagrams above we explain why and show you the mathematics. This aspect of mathematics is so well known that anyone with a university degree can verify it. But no one here has and come back to say it is not possible. Yet you might trust a pin bar more than you might trust a mathematical equation? I am not addressing you as a person but using this opportunity to speak to everyone. So until and unless you understand that Orbit logic is mathematics which is impossible to violate you will remain afraid and unsure of yourself with the tool. You more than know enough to trade it with freedom but your block is that you do not understand why or you do not think it possible (doubt) it works as specified. I think that is the problem and therefore you are not working out possibilities from that logic. A second observation is your mind is not following Orbit. Not at all. Yet in practice you are depending on or hoping that Orbit is the solution. So you are not seeing that Orbit is always correct. Why do I say this? Look at the whole complete theory of the future you have in your post script and think about it. With such a strong opinion of what you do not know and have NEVER been able to tell consistently you must suffer the psychology of losing traders known as selective distortion. Because of what you think will happen all that is happening becomes filtered by it. In other words, a tendency to fit all incoming information into preconceived compartments and in a situation where you must decide sometimes in splits. You will as such introduce errors at a frequency higher than when you follow Orbit by looking at its parameters that promise in any case 100/100 times and you have not disputed it or at least found the extent to which it actually approximates that value. So again and as I am trying to show I only think of Orbit. One trader I know that does so is @Itallian Trader in fact he sticks to Orbit literally and his results are impressive. So for instance you have an opinion great. But suppose instead or in addition you can tell me what Orbit is saying a) given how it works and b) where you know you are in space? In your Opinion which in trader speak = final judgement even before the first bar in n formed completely dismisses what Orbit is saying or whether it agrees with you or not. Your mind is made up what is ahead. So I say this is evidence you are not following Orbit at all you are fixed on something else. You are behaving like a "technical" trader who relies on notions of experience, intelligence, skill etc. That is a problem because all these things interact to multiply errors in your trading space. It would pay you maybe better on reading what you are following. So kindly tell us what Orbit is telling now. Does it agree with your theory of the future? Lets do some market talk but using Orbit logic. What do you think about that?

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:49 pm
by Darkdoji
Please anyone can respond @WoodYz say something ----------------------> it is an open discussion not just @ImpLaNT,ANYONE?

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 pm
by ImpLaNT
Darkdoji wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:29 pm
The fact that I make some forecasts or assumptions does not mean that I am far from the Orbit and on some kind of “technical” wave. At the moment, Orbit is telling me that the direction of the diagonal is downward. An upward pullback is now developing. The end of the pullback will be the formed peak 5n2y=6n1w and the transfer of all partitions n-6n to the top line of the KSO. After this is completed, I will look for the moment to enter sales. Perhaps I will use the second level command for this (RA+SA=down).
More precisely, I can’t write with pictures, because I don’t have the opportunity to draw anything now.
Regarding your trades.... Yes, that's right, you showed them more than once. I offer you a slightly different format... Publication of entry into a position and exit literally a few minutes after the trade, and not tomorrow... Thus, it will be an online game...

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:09 pm
by Darkdoji
So for me I wait in Gold:

a) We are in FLE but also in a situation of Y =X a Crown to Crown stop.

b) What is going to happen? I do not know but by Orbit logic either we begin on a new Aqua diagonal up on Command or we persist lower also on command (level 2) where Level 1 is not changed.

c) So what am I doing waiting? Like you to see where Orbit goes a) knowing as above and b) also knowing we are in folding space and usually there is a fold before breakout so it will take some time (maybe) but in any case I am watching screen face and using my head to judge by Orbit logic (the way we know Orbit works) patiently.

d) Do not forget FLE means ups and downs with significant frequency within a tight range - as @Italian Trader would say it is anti-persistent. Which means it takes some time to resolve and so do not be anxious just watch flow and ebb + pivot once you see what you understand and believe clearly you then respond.

It is a delicate but not unknowable fluctuation that we are faced with but do not forget we trade a structure so keep that in mind knowing what is now going on.

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PS: I am trading too and watching so no more posts for now from me but please keep posting if you can everyone.

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:38 pm
by Chickenspicy
For instance nCy = nTTo works in the same way as Command 1 both in my version and in the version available. BUT ONLY FOR THE RANGE WHITEHEAD TO WHITEHEAD which is the shortest tradable diagonal. In the screenshot therefore we are having a pullback on that scale and hence exiting at Crown Low is justified as would exit at Crown High to confirm continuation before deciding trade action. So note and observe on your version that nCy = nTTo is a "leading" indicator at all times for which way price is headed
Darkdoji wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:37 am THE IDEA OF RISK-FREE SPACE
Command Level 1 says both sides of the channel have Inverse On and will return price to trend in channel.
This means direction is safe one side for buy/sell orders depending on diagonal direction
You really do not need stop loss trend side. But to be absolutely safe use stop loss
But feel relaxed trend side Crown to Crown and do not panic with early entries or adverse excursion trend side, price will return to trend sooner than later.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:19 am
by Darkdoji
ImpLaNT wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 pm The fact that I make some forecasts or assumptions does not mean that I am far from the Orbit and on some kind of “technical” wave. At the moment, Orbit is telling me that the direction of the diagonal is downward. An upward pullback is now developing. The end of the pullback will be the formed peak 5n2y=6n1w and the transfer of all partitions n-6n to the top line of the KSO. After this is completed, I will look for the moment to enter sales. Perhaps I will use the second level command for this (RA+SA=down).
More precisely, I can’t write with pictures, because I don’t have the opportunity to draw anything now.
Regarding your trades.... Yes, that's right, you showed them more than once. I offer you a slightly different format... Publication of entry into a position and exit literally a few minutes after the trade, and not tomorrow... Thus, it will be an online game...
I am trading for my life at this time @ImpLaNT and you know my story and the sacrifices I have made in the cause of letting people see the market differently and more profitably. You know people come around to insult and scorn my work even where in fact there is as of this date not a single basis to do so. I will do only what I can do until I feel I have survived and taken this opportunity which I know no one here would give me even half the chance in fact no one here cares whether I live or die and I accept that. I hope you understand. I will share what I can the way I can and the rest is left to the trader. You all trade Gann, Elliot Waves, etc. How did you learn to trade them? Did you have contact with the gents as much as you have had me? No but you patiently became experts have people not? There must be effort on both sides to lift the burden of knowledge my friend. I have taken all I have taken and sacrificed more than most can imagine. I wish all well and will do my best with my interest at heart and no more. But thanks for that contribution. Still watching FLE me and will explain why later because right now I am watching to enter given the possibility of a significant turn if I position to enter tomorrow I will show you the clear logic to that. An Aqua diagonal turn is worth a lot of $K and more to me at this point so I am cool------------> I am trading professionally and my style may not fit with all immediate understandings of how to trade in general and Orbit in particular let what I show later be not only profitable but instructive and not to prove anything to anyone or fit any particular condition. That is what I am doing and why I am able to respond -----> watching FLE. You and others can now see that it is also with sense measured against market behaviour as highlighted by Orbit or the chaos equation that you trade and not just signals.

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PS: No 2 cycles are the same EVER and regardless of scale. So the principles we both relied on yesterday to make almost identical entries is what you must rely on and perfect. Various conditions will vary style from time to time but I gave out exactly what I do in the end and once I see that there is a firm score ahead. For instance the market is still in flux and any entry now in the turn zone (which you can see yourself is a zone of hostility) has to be done with firmer cues than the market offers just now as we remain in FLE which we have been for over 24 hours so understand that my mind is not on other peoples needs just now and just mine but will share in the end.

Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:41 am
by Darkdoji
ImpLaNT wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 pm
Regarding your trades.... Yes, that's right, you showed them more than once.... Thus, it will be an online game...
@ImpLaNT that is grossly unfair to say more than once please look back and see I am saying you will find over 20 instances of me posting trades. To say "more than once" gives an unfair picture we should check to correct that impression. Did not see that comment first time. Also note that my point about having the Orbit context in mind is that we are at a Crown stop and that did not figure in your calculations at all. Anyway we have this experience of what being at a Crown stop feels like. Of course no 2 cycles are the same so the exact pattern around this event will vary from this to another and from another to another but in general we should be more conscious of possibilities around such a stop. Note I have still to make a trade at the time of writing and clearly price is as yet unresolved in the FLE so I keep watch still and I hope that is instructive for all. No rushing when signals have exact meanings. Many people using "systems" would have traded and tell me to this time since the event in the afternoon how much did they make?

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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 3:58 am
by Darkdoji
ImpLaNT wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:50 pm
@ImpLaNT I see that you are with @regit and I see his role which as is usual with him is to do what he can to discredit what we are doing here. There is nothing that dude has not tried including stealing books from me meant for the community so that he alone can keep looking at them. He set up a video thing which as is usual with him was too convoluted for anyone to follow or to do as he hoped to find the tool false. And of course I was tracking him and incrementally made releases (updates), that left him in the COLD. He said the last time he was done with the thread and that I had driven him away but he is still around persisting in mischief and in no sense promoting any truth as it appears he has none to share. So I wonder for creatures made with his dark soul what it would profit him that we fail somehow (God Forbid), this is not the Olympics @regit and of course we are not in any race at all and the better attitude is to find and encourage things that promote our collective wellbeing for the time we spend here do you not think so @regit? I knew he could not leave as in fact he cannot. Where would the poor soul go? Nowhere -------> nothing better anywhere and no one is such a prize as me for him because with Orbit he saw the incredible and he misinforms himself that he has the brains even ability to disprove such a thing as I have called the grail. I am not one to say things with levity. My candid advice is to turn good man, print the books for circulation (stop keeping them to only yourself that is selfish man), and join the good people seeking only to verify a truth rather than disprove the truth (which are two different paths open to two different types of personalities --- clearly). What a laugh hahaaaaaaaaaaaahaha. What will it profit anyone? NOTHING but such is the soul of man. Wonder why the world is the way it is? But I wish all well including @regit hoping only that we get what we deserve as we go.

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