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Chickenspicy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:51 am What about temporary exit when spot trade change then re - enter when it continues? Thats seems good

Anything within the rules is creative license. But do you know the rules? First find out the rules and think about them in terms of how they serve you. Apply them strictly and see thereafter how you want to "operate". You see it takes severe summersaults of the intellectual kind to measure unpredictable space especially of the iterative kind where dynamics is a consideration (AI is unable to do it which is why you do not see any idiots around talking AI in trading, that is how tough chaos is - it is not something AI goes close to -- think about that). People look at market space as simple but it is not so. You are dealing with movement that actually deforms space and all within it. So a professional attitude is useful --------> this means respect for the rigor involved in modeling something as complex as market space. If every moron in town could do it, it would not be so valuable. So please best to first find out the rules (which are very simple), try to follow them and try to find out why they exist and why they work without fail. With such respect for real effort, you would soon know what works and what does not (not just arbitrarily call some lookback and hoping you would by some wild chance "get it" or similarly think up some "approach" and think it will work). You can monkey trading -----------------> but that is it, a monkey is a monkey because it is just the motions it can emulate not the substance and you do not want to be a monkey in trading or to monkey trade which is what most people are capable of because to stand with other Orbit traders you must at least show something like ten to fifteen trade wins in a row. This is why I ask aspirants to climb down their obvious ignorance of trading (especially given zero track of success in any form of trading at all), and humbly learn the rules --- and demo practice before joining the fray. I like being frank and open because I hate wasting my time and feel sorry that anyone lives such an empty life to be so ignorant as to be unable to string 10 wins on a tool designed and optimized for exactly that. But you got go step by step. You ask questions may be to be seen to belong. But do you have a purpose here? Is there ability in you to earn income from deterministic trading (the simplest form of trading ever)? Which is why I ask do you know the rules? If not why not find out first so we can take your interjections seriously enough to point you correctly. I am sure there is a great trader in everyone but everything depends on the personality of the individual and their focus. I do not just hang out here because I have nowhere else to make me feel human. I am here because I really know my stuff (and it is amazing when you can actually read market dynamics I tell you very few can pass), and I can help. So do find out the rules, articulate them, demo practice and show some wins and of course any help you need we will provide. That is our cause.

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PS: In your earlier post for example on what calculation did you come to the idea that 2n TT & Cy would work consistently? And to what benefit? Do not be in a hurry it is your money you are risking and if you do not care to lose it there are many poor folk in your country they would pray for you to get it as donation or something. That is just an attitude I have stemming from my education. No waste economic efficiency everywhere in the world is good for everyone in the world directly or indirectly. Just a thought.

Darkdoji wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:17 pm

Okay no more more questions from me then
Will only apply the rules
Thank you for the response

Chickenspicy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:27 pm Okay no more more questions from me then
Will only apply the rules
Thank you for the response

That is not what I mean I am simply saying find some more depth by finding out in practice so that you get more useful feedback. Questions are good but the context of them being a highly educated mind tells me you still have not covered some bases you need to and I am saying that is glaring to me and that if you are really interested will be good you do that first so that we are more useful to you. Right now it does not feel to me we are addressing anything important to you or that helps you make money. I hope you understand ---------------> we are people who are really out to help others find themselves but was just saying that such others need also show a desire to benefit. Thank you,

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Darkdoji wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:50 am The problem is that the parameters are fixed (much like saying the odds are fixed) and you are not really free to vary them. We do not guess here we calculate. Once you stray you introduce errors which at exponential rates of change multiply at exponential speeds. Just a highly disciplined form of trading that protects you from yourself. Helps you to win all of the time by not allowing your imagination get the better of you. You see where you are free to guess you are no longer trading the market equation. So with Orbit you focus on knowledge and on following parameters that are already calculated and work without fail. The trick then is easy, how to focus on and follow the logic. I agree that can be difficult for traders without a successful track and those still looking for a way out of the retail trap. Such traders feel drawn to experiment on the error that it is a game of chance. Orbit is an equation and you cannot win by chance you either trade Orbit or something else. We are not taking any chances here ----> the marker (as stable winners will tell you), is 100/100 times. Just following the commands nothing more. Does that not get boring wining so easy - of course it depends on the personality. Many traders are hooked to losing; the adrenalin that comes with blowing an account and then going into depression for a while appears addictive which is why 95% of retail are such addicts who still think of themselves as traders. We have a different objective here. Mostly, people who want to learn to grow their accounts, or turn pro or leave their dastardly day jobs and find dignity in wealth from own effort (and others who want to marry a second or third wife). In all cases disciplined minds capable of focused learning and creative expression of mathematical knowledge.

I absolutely agree with the Professor of chaos. Any forecast is always a thankless task, and in the case of trading, it becomes a multiple. There is no need to predict or assume anything. Thus, you become a hostage of your vision. And if everything went as you assumed, it’s just a lucky coincidence, but not a pattern. Next time everything will go wrong. Therefore, if there are any rules that allow you not to make a mistake, it is always better to strictly follow them, even if this slightly reduces the profit margin. Lost profit is always better than take a loss.

Question regarding the crowns matching...
You indicate the following match everywhere - 6n(w)=5n2(y)=4n2(y)=3n3(A)=2n4(G)=n5(M)
In this case, 4n always equals 5n.
Now for Gold we have the following matching - 7n(w)=6n2(y)=5n3(A)=4n4(G)=3n4(G)=2n5(M)=n5(M) In this case we see that 4n is not equal to 5n, but equal to 3n. Is it correct sequence or 4n must be always equal to 5n?
I'm talk about this point...

ImpLaNT wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:57 pm I absolutely agree with the Professor of chaos. Any forecast is always a thankless task, and in the case of trading, it becomes a multiple. There is no need to predict or assume anything. Thus, you become a hostage of your vision. And if everything went as you assumed, it’s just a lucky coincidence, but not a pattern. Next time everything will go wrong. Therefore, if there are any rules that allow you not to make a mistake, it is always better to strictly follow them, even if this slightly reduces the profit margin. Lost profit is always better than take a loss.

But what rules are we talking about? They are the crazy simple rules you know and must use to trade by Orbit and they are all visual so that anyone can use his eyes and head to take very calculated risk in market space that are consistently profitable when the rules are followed:

a) We trade from stops or pivots or Semaphores in H4 or its match in lower time frames (any time frame lower than H4 has a direct match of the pivots seen on that time frame).

b) Before we enter trades on sighting such pivots we determine direction by the equality TT = Cy = Trend (a level 1 CMD with 2 parts trend and pullback).

c) Given a pivot high or low and the diagonal we wait for a level 2 command = Spot Arrow + Range Arrow in direction of our intended trade.

That is all there is to trading Orbit Point to Point. This is so simple it is baffling anyone will get their underpants in a twist trying to follow it. I do not see how that affects profit margin loss. How? That you win trades consistently reduces profit margin? I do not think so as I trade the same algorithm and have no experience of such. Do you? Since I know you keep to the same rules.

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ImpLaNT wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:33 pm Question regarding the crowns matching...
You indicate the following match everywhere - 6n(w)=5n2(y)=4n2(y)=3n3(A)=2n4(G)=n5(M)
In this case, 4n always equals 5n.
Now for Gold we have the following matching - 7n(w)=6n2(y)=5n3(A)=4n4(G)=3n4(G)=2n5(M)=n5(M) In this case we see that 4n is not equal to 5n, but equal to 3n. Is it correct sequence or 4n must be always equal to 5n?
I'm talk about this point...

It is fine and by now you would have observed that these matches are +1 higher than the timeframe to the right. It is something one might observe after a day or two of using Orbit. In the case of M30 and H1 sometimes they tie but remain correct. You would also observe that rather than list as you have simply check the match between H1 and H4 and focus on the market movement once they agree.

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PS: Maybe a "homework" you can do is to workout all the matches possible from 9n -- n. It is simple to work out given 5 ranks per time frame that are the same and given the rule that a match is +1 more starting from the left e.g. if 9n is W (1) then WK = Y (2). Working it out yourself really helps you keep in mind what to expect across the feed and to get you thinking what is going on? And in fact find out for yourself how these progress in practice and whether or not they all equalize at some level or rank and what such implies for your trading. Also useful in detecting unbalance (where expected matches have not occurred and are still ahead as price will persist until a match). But these are things one would observe naturally and in fact realize the implication in situ very easily it is all visual and it is the trader that discovers such for self given it is so basic. You know we are all "expert" traders so some things are really not worth detailing since we can easily observe things like matching for ourselves and soon think and work out how such things as semaphore matching works. But I hope this helps.

Darkdoji wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:38 pm

When I talk about some loss in profit, I mean early entries, without waiting for the second level command. That is, as for example now... We see a possible reversal on H4, we see a downward diagonal (6n Cy = 6n TT = down), but the second level command has not yet come. I had in mind precisely such moments and said that it will better to wait for it than to jump on a train right now, which is not yet clear where it will go.

ImpLaNT wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:52 pm When I talk about some loss in profit, I mean early entries, without waiting for the second level command. That is, as for example now... We see a possible reversal on H4, we see a downward diagonal (6n Cy = 6n TT = down), but the second level command has not yet come. I had in mind precisely such moments and said that it will better to wait for it than to jump on a train right now, which is not yet clear where it will go.

Ok I understand but you cannot lose what you do not already have because early entry earlier than command is gambling in my book and does not always pan out. But I understand your meaning now.

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PS: I always think in terms of Crown to Crown trades in which a few points here and there means nothing. A scalper may worry but a scalper is simply a person not competent enough to trade any trend at all and is just gambling in the name of being a trader.