ImpLaNT wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:26 am It remains for me to rely only on your mind, which managed to invent this approach, imagine the market without trends and timeframes, justify all this mathematically... I hope that you know and correctly imagine the consequences of the availability of a future cloud version of the Orbit, where a man will not need to think at all.
No, I would like you to live happily ever after and, if possible, cure your illness. In any case, you should see the result of your work.

Thank you my friend and do not worry too much about me. I have lived long enough and seen it all and while I am unhappy how we are in world today, and know that unlike you many may not care about my wellbeing no matter what, I am doing what I have to and it is well. Remember, it is still a hustle the market is unchanged and skill is now what will tell one trader apart from the other in my approach. Indeed, not sure the Station reaches everyone trading and even here the few who have heard me and understood will not even be noticed in markets so huge we talk 5.3 Trillion a day and we talking $. Thanks man

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ImpLaNT wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:36 pm And if the market ceases to fulfill this role of a destroyer, and even begins to enrich people, it simply will not exist. How is this possible, you say? Well, for example, the introduction of a single world currency, such as Bitcoin. And that's it - forex is no more. The same can be done with commodity markets. Remember - the system does not need rich people. The system is run by disgustingly rich people, for whom the Elon Musk is just a kid, nothing more. And no one needs any even the slightest competition. Therefore, I dare to tell you that in matters of judgment about the markets, you are hardly right, and you were taught economics by very bright and positive teachers .... Like in Soviet schools, in classrooms flooded with sunlight, outside of which spring birds were chirping and teachers were talking about world peace.

World peace is possible it is just that it follows a path and no one knows when it will come. For instance some aliens come around and blow up a few a--holes then everyone will soon see that we are actually one people with the same gaol -----------> to survive and be happy. But you do raise a frightening prospect except again markets do not work that way since they do not depend on face value but on the value exchanged. Even in the scenario you mention it is still apples and oranges because why is one currency weaker than another? Many reasons I am sure, but fundamentally money is a store of value in part and therefore in a world with a single currency productivity is not equal and an American sending me bitcoin will not be happy to exchange 1 - 1 because he would rightly argue that from my end he would lose value in a 1 - 1 exchange, the productivity here is less than over there so trading based on value exchange as the underpinning factor must still exist. Because it is a fundamental. Anyway forgot to make this point last time. But yes unless you look at the fundamentals ----------> at first sight, you would think end of forex but then when you say wait a minute would exchange still be fair? You see that it is no threat at all it is value exchange and not money exchange that happens in markets.

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josi wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:26 am Actually it is - logically - much simpler than this:
only as long as price-development cannot be predicted and is open to interpretation can there be a market because you need buyers & sellers at the same time to establish any market.
If the future direction of price is clear to everybody (theoretically) - let's for arguments sake say: UP - then there will be no sellers; ergo there will be no market (regardless of one world currency or 100).

Actually there is no sense in which the price is predicted as the market is by nature unpredictable which is the point of chaos. So you misunderstand what we are really talking about but use our sense and see that right now you can do this delimitation and be correct 100/100 times. And nothing has changed just because you can but you will trade safer, surer and far more profitably than before. You do NOT need to be able to predict anything because in fact you simply cannot.

“Fractals should be the default, the approximation, the framework.” - Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

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ImpLaNT wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:26 am It remains for me to rely only on your mind, which managed to invent this approach, imagine the market without trends and timeframes, justify all this mathematically... I hope that you know and correctly imagine the consequences of the availability of a future cloud version of the Orbit, where a man will not need to think at all.
No, I would like you to live happily ever after and, if possible, cure your illness. In any case, you should see the result of your work.

Also do not worry you will still use your mind fully (since if you are not worried by risk you will still worry for how to maximise profit in risk-free space), and you will still follow charts and see "trends" visually presented as the price cascades that they are just as now only far better and more interesting. We must progress man ---> look at telephony from the time of the telephone to now. Why should we be so backward as to still be struggling with Fibonacci day in day out (or funny apophenic things like heads and shoulders, or meaningless things like support and resistance?). It is going to be very exciting, trust me I mean well.

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PS: As for time frames we have talked about this privately and you see what I showed you and how hopelessly inaccurate one can be following that notion. There are no time frames in market movement and what there is about time in markets is simply misunderstood but we show that when time is correctly understood the trading is safer and more profitable so why should we stay with the inefficient and tenebrific? It will be very well and you will see if I can make it to the cloud.

Just to wish everyone a good week. You should by now have calculated your space and planned your trades waiting for new week open. Best wishes and do not forget to keep within risk-free space. That is my plan as well.

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Darkdoji wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:45 am Just to wish everyone a good week. You should by now have calculated your space and planned your trades waiting for new week open. Best wishes and do not forget to keep within risk-free space. That is my plan as well.

The Crow (-_-)

I wish you the best dear teacher.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher
also note
“Truth is not measured in mass appeal”
I am not telling anyone based on what I think so do not take your measure of me to have any meaning in reality at all. Your prejudices are not truth - just natures easily defeated by truth. So when I show a) What is Spot Trend b) I define it in measure c) and explain it by the same measure d) So each time you disobey my truth or fail to work out how your trading should use or reflect this understanding, you MUST lose. What is good though is that now you can see why you lost and who caused it. Whether your "system" works or not depends on my truth why? Because my truth is a fundamental And Not a "system" therefore - It is a MODEL of how markets work.

I wish all well.

The Crow (_-_) Inverted
PS: The market is inductive has meaning in mathematics and in trading - everything happens in different stages and spaces or in simpler terms ---------> in Time. Nothing is random.

Someone asked in private I am posting in public a response.

Matches and Amplitude
Countertrend
5n --->6n = Y----> W Amplitude (n = +/- (+) 6n = R)
> 5n Y ----> 6n Amplitude (n =+/- (+) 6n = (+/-)

The issue here is that countertrend return points are shallow and particularly for the first match. What Semaphore matches between the 2 partitions depends on depth reached in a pullback and the main run.

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PS: Again it is not a "System" except for the Cloud version which tells everything I cannot recall all at once so I had hoped and expected that before ever going cash folks will demo trade paper at least a month, Observe stuff for meaning and context and be happy with self before ever going cash. Again it is not a "technical" system so do not assume and it is best to trial, observe and ask as we progress.

DIY
When we began this thread I thanked mr.tools and others that run the Station. They provide immense service and help to trading and traders because they make the best indicators around and follow sound principles to make them. @mr. tools made a tool for me when I began this journey many years now and that tool (indicator), remains a linchpin in my model execution to this day. You have to understand however that Orbit the Tool is not about indicators it is about the idea of chaos. If we focus too much on signals and what tool gives the best call we may miss the point. The idea of chaos should make a trader proactive not reactive. If you do not follow the logic but just the signals you are reactive. The logic is more important than the signal because the logic gives the rational for the pattern and signals must be consistent with that rational to be valid. In the cloud we have the means to make this required behaviour explicit and provide the cues that train the user to follow the logic. In the prototype the user has to do most of that for himself. This is important. Everything we have done, e.g. the MRI and the Screenface all follow the logic. This means if you know the logic using the combination of devices you have becomes easy and clear. Then when you understand how to calculate risk-free space using the “Spot Trend” command you begin to see the possibilities. It is not about a single button that brings all the money tumbling down it is about how you deploy a logic. For instance risk-free space is well defined and the behaviour is 100/100 times but how do you make money? I mean the idea of “Spot Trend” is the simplest explanation of iterative space one will come across but to make money from a thing so sure and well defined still depends on the trader skill completely.
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Trading Strategy

So I asked how do you make MONEEEY in risk-free space?
Below is a strategy that would work every time
This is Gold 5 weeks on from the crown top (first seed)
Details of lot size, other housekeeping decisions are the traders call
This is not a drawing (if you look at the Gold chart you are sure to find this structure ongoing)
What is the complexity here? Good for small or big trading capital.
So @josi as you can see clearly a) Free-risk has been available by Orbit the Tool (since) b) It is clearly safe and lucrative to trade for all trader types including retail c) Made even more attractive by the knowledge of chaos which orders the market neatly for a newbie to benefit, etc. This knowledge of the Orbit Logic comes with all the information a trader needs to train, trial, and adopt (you need no teacher just the Orbit books). The strategy spells simplicity and you get to define the rules for yourself. What else do you need as proof on each score? Tell me I would be glad to know.
Can anyone point out why there is a problem here or can everyone see as I do that there is in fact not problem except trader side fear, misinformation from existing methods and the ignorance of chaos? If so GREAT --------> try it out, demo trade it to be sure (up or down), before you doubt yourself (which is a personal problem unconnected with anything or anyone else). I do not doubt and please lets not get our underpants in a twist trying to “theorize” (as is common with retail type traders who have failed so many times they can no longer count. But your context in experience is not the same as you see) – so there is no theory here just the screenshot of live market action stable for over a month now.
Would be great to hear from @josi (for instance where is the prediction here? And whatever other assumption you wrongly made in asserting this is not possible and if in actual it comes to exist the market will close. No my friend the market will grow especially with the cloud version with its direct guidance called an Authority led interface)

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PS: You can trade each fracture begin to end or scalp based on Page 12 but would you say those are simpler, easier or safer in risk free space? Do not forget and we specified trend side pays more, counter cycle is rough, jumpy and turns suddenly (like unexpectedly though that is somewhat easy to overcome). This all goes to the nature of the price fractal which Mandelbrot explains is an Affine fractal (X and Y do not measure the same), hence side seeding should be more manageable). I know.