I agree!

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josi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:26 pm Welcome to my world of prejudice:
"I've found" - personal opinion
"over the years" - vague
"captured" - unfounded allegation (of a planned action etc)
"leftist" - who or what is leftist ("are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party" etc)
"clowns" - denigration; negative connotation
"determined" - how do you know? Are you one of those "clowns"? Have you talked to most of them?
"rewrite history" - history is "rewritten" all the time because new facts that occur demand an update of "history". Who decides what is the correct version? You? On what grounds?
- claims without verifiable evidence and/or definitions are hearsay at best
real man. i agree with your point of view
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Ukrainian army attacked Russian defences

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Yesterday, for the first time, the actual Ukrainian army attacked Russian defences in the counteroffensive.

Mikael Valtersson
@MikaelValterss1
Former officer Swedish Armed Forces/Air Defence, former defence politician and chief of staff Sweden Democrats. Current political and military analyst.
Stockholm, Sverige

ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS JUNE 4
June 4th UkrAF scaled up offensive operations on the Southern Front, but the losses are too high for long time success. Earlier operations were mainly reconnaissance in force with platoon and company sized combat groups. Yesterday the ukrainian forces seemed to be battalion sized combat groups. According to Russian MoD 8 UkrAF battalions was involved in offensive operations SE of Mala Tokmachka (1), at the Vremivka salient (2) and East of Vuhledar towards Velikonovoselovka (3). The fighting was intense, but on most places ukrainian forces was turned back, mainly by intense russian artillery and air attacks. On some places UkrAF succeeded in capturing a couple of hundred meters.

There are two different media stories about the fighting. The ukrainian side is very quiet about both the attacks and eventual losses on their side. Russian sources are much more liberal with information, both in text and videos. IF the russian information is correct, this explains the ukrainian silence, since the ukrainian side seldom concedes major losses on their side and tries to shift attention to other subjects.

According to the russian side, ukrainian losses amount at least 10 tanks, nearly 40 IFVs or APCs and at least 250 eliminated (KIA or very badly WIA). With this number of eliminated, the number of wounded would probably be 750-1000.

Are these numbers true, the prospects for a ukrainian counteroffensive looks very dim. This is even if we don't take into account the ongoing intense russian air and artillery offensive against UkrAF troop concentrations, ammunition and fuel depots.

With losses of over 1000 KIA and WIA that means that a ukrainian brigade of 4000 man loose at least 25 percent of its manpower. That's on the brink of making a brigade unusable. Two days fighting with such losses would destroy a brigades battle capability. 24 days with such losses would in effect destroy the entire fist of 12 brigades UkrAF has gathered for the counteroffensive. With losses of around 12 brigades, 25 000 KIA/WIA, 250 tanks and 1000 IFVs/APCs all the strategic reserves UkrAF has built during the last 6 months would be gone. In exchange the ukrainian side could have advanced maybe 10 km on some places or more generally 2-3 km along maybe half the southern front.

Once again, IF the russian claims are true, RuAF must feel relieved and UkrAF very worried by the results of the fighting on the Southern front June 4th.

Map from Institute of War


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Re: What is the best news source?

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Gethsemane wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:29 am Associated Press

Not my words, but it sums it up:
"The Associated Press is a New York-based news agency that believes in independent journalism. The news source brings reports from across the globe, making it a definitive platform to know about everything. You can see that the Associated Press website does not involve click-baits or controversial headlines.

Instead, the news agency remains maximum neutrality while reporting. It is also one of the few news sources with NO political inclination. Therefore, even while reading about sensitive topics like politics, you can get an UNBIASED experience from the AP.

Studies have proven that the Associated Press follows a fact-driven reporting and writing style. It stays away from generalizations, thereby focusing on specifics. In addition, the use of neutral language makes the AP a reliable news source."

Do what you want with it
Alright sir thank you for the detailed reply I wasn't expecting that and appreciate it.

Nasty things for Putin!

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:yawn:
The President of the Russian Federation struggles with the failures of the roz'dnanistyu viysk, - New York Times.

• Tse buli nasty things for Putin: the drones swayed over the Kremlin, the planes fell, the bosses of the naimants released one evil after another, and the counteroffensive of Ukraine did not start all the time.

• Such problems threaten those that the axis-axis was given in the hands of Russia: victory in the trivial battle for Bakhmut. The army of the Russian Federation stepped into position on the outskirts of the city, for the tribute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, sent two colonels there.

• Vrazhayuchaya public fortune-telling between Pan Prigozhin and the Minister of Defense Shoigu - and the impossibility or the inefficiency of the way of the zupinity is obvious.

• The leader of the PVK "Wagner" is stunned by the order of looking "absolutely stupid, brainless, idiotic - and more and more it seems that it's so true."

• “Similar to the old man of the Kremlin, so that the groups competed among themselves. Might as well make a difference in politics, but it’s even more difficult for the time of the military operation,” – Rob Lee, senior scientific collaborator at the Institute for Foreign Affairs Politics.
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Ogee quoting Nazis!

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Ogee wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:46 pm Yesterday, for the first time, the actual Ukrainian army attacked Russian defences in the counteroffensive.

Mikael Valtersson
@MikaelValterss1
Former officer Swedish Armed Forces/Air Defence, former defence politician and chief of staff Sweden Democrats. Current political and military analyst.
Stockholm, Sverige

ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS JUNE 4
June 4th UkrAF scaled up offensive operations on the Southern Front, but the losses are too high for long time success. Earlier operations were mainly reconnaissance in force with platoon and company sized combat groups. Yesterday the ukrainian forces seemed to be battalion sized combat groups. According to Russian MoD 8 UkrAF battalions was involved in offensive operations SE of Mala Tokmachka (1), at the Vremivka salient (2) and East of Vuhledar towards Velikonovoselovka (3). The fighting was intense, but on most places ukrainian forces was turned back, mainly by intense russian artillery and air attacks. On some places UkrAF succeeded in capturing a couple of hundred meters.

There are two different media stories about the fighting. The ukrainian side is very quiet about both the attacks and eventual losses on their side. Russian sources are much more liberal with information, both in text and videos. IF the russian information is correct, this explains the ukrainian silence, since the ukrainian side seldom concedes major losses on their side and tries to shift attention to other subjects.

According to the russian side, ukrainian losses amount at least 10 tanks, nearly 40 IFVs or APCs and at least 250 eliminated (KIA or very badly WIA). With this number of eliminated, the number of wounded would probably be 750-1000.

Are these numbers true, the prospects for a ukrainian counteroffensive looks very dim. This is even if we don't take into account the ongoing intense russian air and artillery offensive against UkrAF troop concentrations, ammunition and fuel depots.

With losses of over 1000 KIA and WIA that means that a ukrainian brigade of 4000 man loose at least 25 percent of its manpower. That's on the brink of making a brigade unusable. Two days fighting with such losses would destroy a brigades battle capability. 24 days with such losses would in effect destroy the entire fist of 12 brigades UkrAF has gathered for the counteroffensive. With losses of around 12 brigades, 25 000 KIA/WIA, 250 tanks and 1000 IFVs/APCs all the strategic reserves UkrAF has built during the last 6 months would be gone. In exchange the ukrainian side could have advanced maybe 10 km on some places or more generally 2-3 km along maybe half the southern front.

Once again, IF the russian claims are true, RuAF must feel relieved and UkrAF very worried by the results of the fighting on the Southern front June 4th.

Map from Institute of War


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oh come on, do you even know what persons tweets you are linking?

This is a swedish person, that was thrown out of all his political engagements (swedish extreme right wing party SD), and lost his job at the airforce 2014-2015, because he is a nazi, and he was passing on secret military information, no wonder he is helping the russian propaganda.

i have some swedish news articles if you dont believe me, im sure they can be ran through google translate if someone can bothered with the truth, this guy is exposed nazi, he calls himself Adolf Hitler online. and he is a big fan of Russia, omg the garbage you link xD

Why would a nazi get info from russia about what happens at the frontline?
Russia works with nazis, is that what youre admitting?

Or doesnt he have russian ties you'd want to say? then how would he know shit about whats going on at the frontline, he has no clue! he's a fat swedish nazi bastard living in his mothers basement, that wants attention. this is just propaganda.

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/hitler ... rs-expert/
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/valter ... -facebook/
https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sds-t ... ropaganda/
https://nyheter24.se/nyheter/politik/78 ... propaganda
https://www.svd.se/a/zLqLJb/utkastad-sd ... ekreterare

However the counteroffensive is going, you dont know shit, troll accounts dont know shit, so why spread misinformation?
Vatnik
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Re: Ogee quoting Nazis!

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Gethsemane wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:17 pm oh come on, do you even know what persons tweets you are linking?



However the counteroffensive is going, you dont know shit, troll accounts dont know shit, so why spread misinformation?
Vatnik
which part of the analysis is false? The report from the Russian side is correct as I've seen it posted a number of times from different sources, and the extrapolation seems reasonable.

You again seem to confuse the messenger with the message. I look forward to your reproduction of the Ukrainian stats.
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Re: Ogee quoting Nazis!

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Ogee wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:42 pm which part of the analysis is false? The report from the Russian side is correct as I've seen it posted a number of times from different sources, and the extrapolation seems reasonable.

You again seem to confuse the messenger with the message. I look forward to your reproduction of the Ukrainian stats.
You seen it posted by similiarly credible sources as always then.

im not reproducing anything, i await the true results, not trying to force fake statements and misinformation.
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Re: WW3 Countdown

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;) Ukraine deployed a network of agents from Russia and gave drones for strikes, - CNN.

• A pro-Ukrainian group launched a drone attack on the Kremlin. ( The UAV was launched from the territory of the Russian Federation, and not delivered from Kiev to Moscow.

• Saboteurs in the middle of Russia - tse sympathizers of Ukraine and operatives, yakі well trained in this kind of warfare.

• There is no good evidence that drones from US packets were victorious.
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