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Ogee wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 6:39 pm The counteroffensive.

Oh FFS, we've missed it apparently.


The Telegraph: writes that Russian "smart bombs" thwarted the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and now Kiev will have to revise the campaign plans.

Glide bombs are equipped with "wings" to give them extra range, and fly low and far enough to evade some air defences , the newspaper notes.
Radars do not always pick up objects flying at low altitude, and the small size of glide bombs makes them difficult to detect.

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So the Russians did something with smart bombs and that's about it


Re: The Counteroffensive

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Ogee wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 6:39 pm The counteroffensive.

Oh FFS, we've missed it apparently.


The Telegraph: writes that Russian "smart bombs" thwarted the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and now Kiev will have to revise the campaign plans.
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Re: The Counteroffensive

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boytoy wrote:
So the Russians did something with smart bombs and that's about it
ChuChu Rocket wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:34 pm Hahahahaha what happened!!
Ha, no, what we are really seeing is mainstream media getting us to look over there while they do a sneaky 180 degree turn.

So they've been telling us all year that Ukraine were winning the war but now have to admit Ukraine have lost it but it's due to some made up new thing that Russia has suddenly pulled out of the hat.

But we knew all along the media were lying to keep up public support for funding the nonsense.

Note also in the WSJ today the US, having said all along that Russian losses have been horrific due to their 'human wave' tactics, now say Russia has only lost 20,000 men since December. Wonder how that stacks up compared to the Fish's stats?

All that's left now is how many Ukraine troops will Zelensky sacrifice for appearances in the name of this counteroffensive.

Note also in todays WSJ, that Blinken has suddenly changed his mind and is now happy that China gets involved in the negotiation process. I expect Zelensky will have to give up Crimea and the 4 eastern states and agree to no NATO. If he delays then he risks losing everything up to the Dnipro river.
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About the Counter-offensive....
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have only a chance to advance on a narrow sector of the front, they have little chance against 500,000 soldiers of the RF Armed Forces, - a British general assessed Kyiv's plans

▪️Retired British General Sir Richard Barrons (2013-2016 head of Joint Forces Command / Strategic Command), in an interview with the BBC, suggests not placing too much hope on a large-scale counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at least in the near future.

❗️According to his calculations, the Ukrainian army prepared about 60,000 soldiers for the operation, and the Russian army concentrated about 300,000 at the front, and about 200,000 more in the reserve echelon.
▪️Even under the most favorable conditions, such an operation can only be carried out on a front section no longer than 25 km, because. it is in this case that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to create the numerical advantage necessary to break through the defense.

▪️As for the choice of the site and the purpose of such an operation, according to the general, it makes sense to carry out it in order to cut off important communications, for example, to cut off the Crimea or break into the depths of a well-prepared Russian defense in order to threaten the rear. This would give everyone the feeling that it is possible to defeat the Russian army, although this is unlikely to happen in 2023.

▪️According to General Barrons, the success of Kyiv's further operations will directly depend on the desire of the Ukrainians themselves to wage a protracted war, and it promises to become one, given the capabilities of Russia, as well as from the buildup of Western assistance.
The General believes that for this, Kyiv's allies will need to put military production on an industrial basis, which will be very expensive, but not as much as in the case of a direct confrontation with Russia.
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;) On May 9, 1865, US President Andrew Johnson officially announced the end of the Civil War, which lasted four years and claimed the lives of 620,000 Americans. The last armed formation of the defeated South to surrender to the army of the North on June 23 was Cherokee Brigadier General Stand Waity's Trans-Mississippi Indian Army.
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