Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Darkdoji wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:06 pm Cyclicality: Tutorial 05

I am not sure everyone understands the schematic and therefore the meaning of what I am suggesting in my post here:viewtopic.php?p=1295510041#p1295510041. In summary I am merely describing how Orbit the Tool works - from any partition at all. I am also showing therefore how it can be traded regardless of partition or time frame. And traded for a given topological range certain regardless of the partition or time frame employed as the trade frame - because you can find the setup across all partitions.

For instance lets say you are an urban cowboy, and love to trade the daily as a trade frame - but have never managed to do so successfully or with any consistency we are saying using the calculations below changes your luck - with risk at worst at 1/20. So when you see 7n at a 2 low you match that point to a 5n Semaphore and once you see the Range Arrow turn Green you enter your trade, set stop and go on holidays. Why holidays? Well for one thing you will be able to afford it at the end of the move. But seriously, that trade may last one or 2 weeks as we are saying that your 7n or D1 trade will follow the trajectory defined starting from the 2@ low to a 2@ high on the 7n scale. Of course it has a "saddle" so midway or so it will rotate low to deliver a Spike Event (which itself is another trade), but will nevertheless persist in that trajectory until the Spike Event (7n 2(Y)@ high). So how you arrange to manage the trade on holidays is your business but you know at inception what the price play is exactly. One more thing , if in search of a 2@ high it displaces a 3(A) in its way instead, the range of the original trade will explode forward for no extra work. So good to scope the market while defining your trade plan on any scale (but this is just BTW). The assumption then is that on a 2(Y) high at the 7n scale you take profit. We are saying that this setup will deliver profit 100/100 times or thereabouts on that or any other scale .

So let us say then you think I am crazy (I have been called that here several times), and do not know what I am talking about. But that you like the idea and therefore will want to test it at lower scale 100 times before adopting the idea at all. We are saying you can execute the same setup from 5n or H1 and that it is not improbable that you will confirm 100 wins. So really up to you. But also generally, it is worth looking at the setup and understanding it a bit more. It comes from my discovery of the Strange @ttractor and how that construct behaves. It also shows that the @attractor is complexed to infinity and pervades the entire market space in terms of shape. So on any scale at all you will find the setup and it is consistent in form and in behaviour (it is a bijective structure), and therefore the forces that define it MUST be constant in ways that cause it to be repetitive (recursive), across all dimensions of market time. So it is not magic that we talk about 100/100 times - because you can trust a structure so defined, but to do that you must trade it to test it. This is what the diagrams are about. But do not just look at them think about them and the things I have said here - and based on the math alone you can see the Holy Grailness in the concept. It is really simple and interesting is it not?

However, and probably, the biggest fall out from all of this is the function f(range arrow), so now you know how to play it and now you do not need any guessing about a move when you put what you know together to think of any move at all on any scale - no more guessing. We are free to talk about all of the above ----------------> ask questions, anything or rather.

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Hi Sir! I really like the Orbit, and few days ago just started my adventure with it, trying to understand as much as possible. Want to ask a stupid question, and probably it was mentioned somewhere, but can you clarify when the weight point is "1" and when it's "2" and also the meaning of "x" and "y", as i understood "x" is "green dot" and "y" is red dot, but am not sure 100%. Thanks!
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Yutopupo wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:03 am Hi Sir! I really like the Orbit, and few days ago just started my adventure with it, trying to understand as much as possible. Want to ask a stupid question, and probably it was mentioned somewhere, but can you clarify when the weight point is "1" and when it's "2" and also the meaning of "x" and "y", as i understood "x" is "green dot" and "y" is red dot, but am not sure 100%. Thanks!
The weights and colors are explained in post #816.
viewtopic.php?p=1295510201#p1295510201

As for X and Y, this is just a convenience. When price is starting to move away from a strange attractor toward a new attractor, we can say it is starting at X. For the move to complete, price must travel to a strange attractor of the same weight as X. So we simply say that the ending attractor is Y.

So, if you manage to make a trade entry at the earliest opportunity (when the Range arrow changes to the direction that price is now moving), you are trading from X to Y. And you can choose to remain in your position until the Y destination is reached, or you can take profits anywhere along the way. And, you can also add positions along the way.
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Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Yutopupo wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:03 am Hi Sir! I really like the Orbit, and few days ago just started my adventure with it, trying to understand as much as possible. Want to ask a stupid question, and probably it was mentioned somewhere, but can you clarify when the weight point is "1" and when it's "2" and also the meaning of "x" and "y", as i understood "x" is "green dot" and "y" is red dot, but am not sure 100%. Thanks!
Will do a schematic to help. Been unavailable until now. Cheers

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I imagine that there are lots of traders on FS with the experience, skills and imagination to go on an adventure with Orbit the Tool. My sense is that everyone appears to be waiting for me to give some solve it all key. But Orbit the Tool is designed in such a way that the Trader really can explore to find his own breakthrough using the tool. It is safe of that I can assure, but it is not possible for me to tell how an individual trader must combine with the tool to succeed big time. That is a personal matter and really I can only provide correct information on its attributes but I cannot teach you the trader you want to be. So below, I provide you slides and the downloadable file of if these that invite you to find yourself with the tool. Please do not wait for me to tell you what you can do with this contraption find yourself in it. There are NO rules - so make your own in a way that profits you and makes you most comfortable it is NOT a "trading system" but you can create your own "trading system" from it. Wishing you the best.

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Yutopupo wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:03 am Hi Sir! I really like the Orbit, and few days ago just started my adventure with it, trying to understand as much as possible. Want to ask a stupid question, and probably it was mentioned somewhere, but can you clarify when the weight point is "1" and when it's "2" and also the meaning of "x" and "y", as i understood "x" is "green dot" and "y" is red dot, but am not sure 100%. Thanks!
What @regit told you is instructive and I hope you understood his meaning. But start with this viewtopic.php?p=1295510526#p1295510526 and there are other stuff you may want to look at to settle in with your adventure. However, this is a new concept in trading and you need to get it right in your head first to attempt actual trading and then in actual or trial trading (demo) you must as much as possible show flair and independent thinking - it is NOT a "trading system" so there is nothing really I can teach you. You must read etc to find yourself with the tool. Best wishes

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MT4 does not have a standard MTF crosshair (why not?) like many other platforms....but there are a few you can use (made by other coders). I like as example this MTF screen with the crosshair at 5M and showing the orange vertical line at MTF's, perhaps it does ring a arrow/bell; 5m=magenta, 15m=gold, H1=aqua, H4=black etc. Not only the arrows (semafors) but also the path to the 'extreme/semafor'
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Tutorial: 000
I categorically state we have the Holy Grail and invite you to consider why I say so and expect logically presented dissent.

People have approached Orbit the Tool as a tool that somehow has changed the market and appear to expect that nothing they experienced in the market before Orbit the Tool will occur in their experience again. That of course is incorrect nothing can change the market and the market is exactly as you have always experienced it. Because chaos control is not the same as changing the market. Chaos control is simply the ability to identify the initial value or what is also called the seed in mathematics. If you can identify the seed at the time and point of the inception of a sequence, you are said to have the ability to control chaos - why? Because simply put - you bye pass what is called Extreme Sensitivity to Initial Conditions which is also known as the famous so-called "butterfly effect." Gentlemen and ladies this on its own is an amazing feat unexpected in and never seen by trading before Orbit the Tool.

So the question then becomes for the trader, so what? It means in practical terms, you Mr/Ms. Trader have got the HOLY GRAIL - and you cannot dispute it because it is visual. How? You see you use the prototype tool now and in the prototype tool a) If you can point match semaphores exactly each time, you CANNOT lose any so identified trade it is a given with the tool you have b) therefore the most important SKILL you can have as an Orbit Trader - trading at the Holy Grail level, is the ability to point match as described elsewhere.b) One of the reasons that the Cloud Version is so important to me is that unlike the prototype the tool it does the point matching itself and prompts the trader to enter direction. c) But in the prototype, you MUST gain that skill by visual inspection and scoping the market or partitions ahead of 6n so that your (match), call is correct each time. In addition, you need the pattern reading skill to read the Strange Attractor which is your main task in market scoping. Not too difficult but an inconvenience. So to sit on the expectation that the prototype will also do that for you is uninformed and also a bit unfair to yourself and my efforts so far.

Primarily the prototype does not have the functionalities that allow such but it provides all the information required for the trader to do it effectively on his own. I do it and so can anyone and indeed so has anyone that has been winning by the tool (whether he knows so for a fact or not). Therefore, it is a question of pursuing and gaining that skill in a short space of time given that what is involved (apart from having the confidence to do so), is actually a cake walk especially given the implications for your trading returns.

Below I show you how to manually (visually), we trade Orbit the Tool to point match and for nay Sayers I include 2 futuristic slides that show the very vital differences between the prototype and the Cloud Version with an advocation to traders saying "hey Trader do a little work to gain, just a little work will gain you so much".

So we wait for the Cloud Version to gain the automaticity so many expect in the prototype and which clearly MT4 cannot handle. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE GRAIL AND CAN USE IT TO THAT EFFECT.

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[1] In the first slide you see a callable screen which will be animated and dynamically updating in real-time following the price loop curve and which the trader can use standalone to track the market or interchange with Screenface which will also be something else in the Cloud Version (plus other callable dynamical screens for other trading information).

[2] In the second slide we tell you the information you need in the prototype to manually fit out matched points and trade them as Initial Values or the seed.

[3] In the final slide (and ignoring whether or not you can read meaning into them), we give a sense of what is missing in the prototype but can be provided in the Cloud Version to change the way you know trading forever with respect to point matching. So hustling as much as I can to get there.

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PS: The symbols you see are not mathematical they are algorithms for a coder
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@regit I think your video project can be a real resource at this point. Since the start of the thread I have tried to introduce the underpinning concepts in Orbit the Tool step by step given the sense that the concepts do represent a radically different view of the markets and trading than has been norm. The idea that the market is deterministic alone, is pretty tough to take in given what has been socialized before now by the more common methods for trading. But there is nothing being put out here that is NOT backed by fact and more so everything is visual. However, we have not received a lot of feedback from you and with recent developments and claims, continuous video footage does represent an especially credible way to verify the tool. Here viewtopic.php?p=1295510526#p1295510526 I gave a sequence which I believe will be most interesting to crosscheck (that is what the video project set out to document anyway or at least a huge part of it). My request is for feedback confirming that sequence since it is a deep and powerful insight of how organized (inductive), and deliberate the tool is - and it also trains traders following the tool to pace the tool and develop their own strategies - for scalping, day trading, etc. But that apart, issues like command failures e.g. the range arrow would be incredibly useful. Already I have had at least 2 persons come to me dissatisfied with the new Range Arrow - and outside trading style this could be a real issue for others. I have offered replacements to the two and expect that should do the trick - but if we see it more widespread and more traders unhappy then we can correct for everyone since at that point it would be a general issue to be addressed. But just saying feedback from you will be really helpful. Cheers

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