Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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Darkdoji wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:23 am ImpLaNT's take here is exceptionally correct and we should keep this in mind for the future (just in the general sense of things).

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I'm sorry, but...
1. The trade is not correct if it is unprofitable. That is, if you entered the market for any reason and the price went beyond the limits of the extremum from which you entered, you made the wrong trade.
2. There should be no wrong trades in my trading. For me, this is equally low-quality, meaningless work.
I have a bar that I use for any system (approach). 50 market entries. During this time, there must be a series of 10 break-even trades in a row, or two series of 7 break-even trades. No more than two losing positions in a row. And... the total number of profitable trades during those 50 must be greater than or equal to 76.4%. If this is achieved, then the approach (system) is suitable, if not - to the furnace! I would really like Orbit to pass this test. It means a lot for me that the approach that I use in my work is mathematically justified.
3. The method when successful trades simply exceed unprofitable ones in quantity and in view of this some positive progress is supposedly achieved is not good for me. I call this approach "finger poking to the sky". For me, trading should be meaningful and the occurrence of any stop loss infuriates me, because for me it means that I made a mistake, it means I didn’t fully understand something, it means I need to return to my studies again, it means I can’t consider myself a complete specialist.
So, as you understand - only profitable trades, everything else is a waste!

No any approach has yet passed this test. This means that for all these years I have not achieved a good result in this field. Before the advent Orbit, I used the system that gave the best statistics. I really hope that Orbit will be able to pass this test when I finally understand it and can turn it from a mathematical model into a trading system.


Re: A New Trading Game (chaos game) Played for Money and Played in Risk- Free Space

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ImpLaNT wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:51 am I'm sorry, but...
Again the problem is with your google translator. I did not even look at your trade and in fact I was referring only to the statements you made NOT your trading. Your trading and trade management are personal to you. I hope you understand. My concern was how you described my meaning in terms of Inverse On which is very correct. And I repeat people should keep that in mind in a general sense. However, in the simplified Inverse On version I will bring on over the weekend, a noob should be able to trade that without any analysis and get each trade right every time (subject to availability at time of signal). Since there is now a match with the screenface - direction, etc does not have to be worked out by the trader (no need for any analysis at all so no one has an edge over anyone in terms of knowing the trade now - any advantage at all will come from trade management and availability), so you just trade the command and the tool points to everything else you need to win, entry, stop loss and take profit in the context of the setup. The idea is simply this - a 16 year old kid with average intelligence should be able to beat the market routinely that is my goal and this version does that even if you forget to put a stop loss each time (SO long as you TP before a reversal of flow). The problem I found from my short experience here is that people still had problems figuring out direction and think "technical" type analysis will help them do so (but that is a source of confusion and error - attempts at analysis does not help as it is conceptually outside of such thinking as may be used in attempting to analyse direction), and so I saw that doing so is not correct because the concept is different than analysis based on apophenia. Analysis now = follow command and I have set it up so that anyone at all - even if you are just one week old in trading can now follow the command. My point is that attempts at analysis to discover the direction and timing of Inverse On is now history - Range Arrow (and some commonsense), now does that job for you so now there is no excuse for anyone losing a trade with this version just wait for the arrow to point and you follow. Best wishes to all.

The Crow (-_-)

PS: Orbit is a complete mathematical solution and it does not need your input in terms of thinking or analysis to win it only needs for you to follow the command (and your entry, stop loss and take profit).
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ImpLaNT wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:40 am It's a very good intention to make everyone rich and happy, including 16 year olds :D , but if you can do what you're talking about, you'll just kill Orbit with your own hands.
Not everyone wants to get rich. Money means nothing, people mean everything. $5 Trillion a day turnover in forex alone. Billions are starving from Asia through Africa to South America. They will use Orbit and that is why I aim to make the far more powerful version for the cloud. No one can compare that version with this prototype - it is intended that way so everyone has access to the wealth. The market is a place for all and all should be welcome.

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PS: It is also false to think that trading is a zero sum game or that because everyone wins therefore the market dies - No not at all. I hold an MBA and therefore I know economics formally to the intermediate level and I have worked out what will happen. It is just the fear and greed of people (traders) that make them think or feel that if someone else wins they lose. NOT CORRECT. And BTW everyone has a computer, everyone has a cell phone and everyone has a TV set, so how is it different if everyone has Orbit the Tool to trade?
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ImpLaNT wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:40 am It's a very good intention to make everyone rich and happy, including 16 year olds :D , but if you can do what you're talking about, you'll just kill Orbit with your own hands.
Ok I slept over it and consulted with my friend the WhiteDoji. Agreed, what I had intended to do is not done and may not (given the nature of traders), be the best decision to take at this point. I understand your grouse. Let only those with the time, effort and ability prevail in the markets. So I am standing down the offer of a version change and there will be no version change. The current version will always be available in the forum for free and for anyone ready to apply himself or herself to learn the tool and chaos approach. You are of course an exceptional person with extreme intelligence. You have shown this in our private and public conversations. And to learn the tool to the extent you have in such a short space of time, this for me is very impressive. But I have a request. Not everyone has your gifts and abilities in trading. But many are worthy if they get some help. My interest is indeed to share my invention free to the farthest extent possible and I want to do it in this forum and this forum alone. So my request is that you at least begin and sustain a program to show (teach and guide), interested forum members exactly the sense you have expressed here viewtopic.php?p=1295507446#p1295507446 and those gaining your sense of the tool also share with others, etc. If you can do that for me I will be grateful. This is important to me as you know.

Thank you and God bless,

The DarkDoji (-_-)
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Darkdoji wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:37 pm
Dear members of the thread... You may get the false impression that I am causing some kind of split, unnecessarily arguing with the master, imposing something of my own, and being an arrogant upstart. I want to tell you that this is not true at all. Moreover, I think that the master overestimates me unnecessarily, I am the same student as all of you, those who want to understand and master this tool and this method.
I don't argue that I have a certain zeal, I actually strive to understand this approach from a practical point of view. For myself, I realized that this is actually a revolution without any exaggeration. The master wants me to explain and convey the essence of what I have comprehended in an accessible (non-mathematical) language. But I repeat once again - I am also a student, and it means that I know far from everything. Sir Doji has to do another job, what he wants to do - the cloud version of the tool. But there are certain difficulties in our interaction. The doctor wants simplicity, I want quality. I know that simple approaches are not good. It seems to me that there are some misunderstandings right now because of this. And not by the way, right now I also can’t devote much time to communication and work in the thread. But I hope that in the near future everything will become easier for me and I will be able to devote more time to communication here. But I also want everyone who is interested in Orbit to also devote their time to their self-education. Master brought a sufficient amount of material that needs to be studied and understood as far as possible. And I want you to ask questions that need to be discussed.
Sorry for the crumpled letter, once again. I should have been sleeping for a long time, tomorrow is a hard day. All the best!


P.S... Master, would you be so kind as to share tutorial 02 "Dynamical Patterns" viewtopic.php?p=1295505898#p1295505898 in pdf or pptx format if you have the opportunity. Thank you.
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ImpLaNT wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:54 am But there are certain difficulties in our interaction. The doctor wants simplicity, I want quality. I know that simple approaches are not good. It seems to me that there are some misunderstandings right now because of this.

P.S... Master, would you be so kind as to share tutorial 02 "Dynamical Patterns" viewtopic.php?p=1295505898#p1295505898 in pdf or pptx format if you have the opportunity. Thank you.
There can be nothing more complex than a chaotic system - nothing. The system e.g. the market is the very definition of complexity. So what is now called simplicity is a result of work done directly using chaos control as a methodology. In order to control chaos you must find and time the singularity (or what in mathematics is also called the seed). Once you do that you control the system (market). That is what we did with Orbit and what we do trading by Orbit. We trade the seed at each inversion of flow (for short-term and long-term stretching), because Orbit tells the turn in flow correctly 100/100 times. This is the problem, to know how serious and secure what we did is, is also to understand that doing what we did resolves what is called Extreme Sensitivity to Initial Conditions or the famous "butterfly effect". Listen the claims here are serious to the point of awaiting positive challenge from the international scientific community. So it is not a question of quality it is a question of judging a new phenomenon by a new understanding.

For instance when price is in FLE, for every stop or semaphore (low or high), there is a guaranteed trade because price is repeatedly folding in range. So we must behave responsively to this visual fact to survive profitably in range. In the FLE you exit shorts and prepare to long at low and at high the same, you exit longs and prepare to short. You take profit quickly because the next trade is immediate almost. This behaviour must become instinctive in you and does not require other rules than inverse on. If you positively follow this behaviour you win range or if you prefer, for an uptrend example, you enter a single return trade at any FLE low and let it fluctuate until the stretch mapping (or breakout), phase. In every market there is FLE action in any morning open and at close. So that is where the quality is and it is in the mathematics so I cannot make rules (like if price is half of the MRI range - do this and do that), etc. That is simply not what chaos is about and your rules have no meaning in chaos because you are NOT thinking of chaos and how it works but thinking of your risk (in zero risk space). I can only put it simply and as it is bound to happen. I can only say trade on inverse on. If you understand the mathematical logic from all we have done and as above to arrive at this result, you must respond to the quality of the command. It is absolute. So the issue is when is the command on or how do we know and the answer is simply synchrony - Term Trades, Cyclicality and KSO. Simplicity is difficult only if the math is not understood.

Finally, Orbit is a visual tool. if you see synchrony you see it across all the icons changing so what else do you want as confirmation - you trade man because it is inverse on and you can see it on the screenface with your 2 eyes. You know therefore any trade will deliver because that is how the market works. There are no rules except when you see it enter. So we know the market in a way you do not and we have cased out the risk and there is zero risk for Inverse On trades and we cased the space to such detail that makes us very responsible and before we created the tool we measured the space exactly and we know its topologies to detail. If you trade by yours or any other rules that is fine. But to trade by Orbit you must know the math as your guarantor and nothing else. You must reach the same kind of realization as this man viewtopic.php?p=1295502759#p1295502759. My 2 cents just to tell everyone THE THING IS VISUAL AND YOU CAN SEE IT WITH YOUR EYES Inverse On trades = synchrony simple. Another point is what do you do before some inverse comes on. You track the market on the screenface but do not try to analyse from the screenface - since the market is folding by moving from low to high and high to low you follow by trading the movements until breakout. Be like a man on an oil rig console monitoring for a blow out. When there is one there are no rules to filter the signal he hits the alarm button simple - Orbit is visual you can see the change makes it different from something where you want explicit rules - you can see the breakout in enough time to trade it.

The Crow (-_-)

Learn to know where you are - for instance in FLE the system (market) is trading point to point or semaphore to semaphore so orbits in that topology are unstable. Short moves that reverse very quickly. But it is from that recursive up and down movement that we stretch or breakout. The FLE can take time but sometimes it will take only little time depending on what sequence of orders is hitting the market and at what rate.
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With respect to what I am saying here viewtopic.php?p=1295507593#p1295507593 below is the graphical expression of the same meaning. It is the math you keep in mind first and your experience is second. Your experience is from the behaviour of the screenface per move and is useful. But no 2 sequences or cycles is the same in chaos EVER so it is difficult to the point of impossibility to find an exact screenface sequence that will assure your fear of risk. The math says on Inverse a trade is zero risk. Take advantage of that. So place your confidence in the quality of the mathematics which we have shown you in formal math text (it is not me that said so it is mathematics that says a bijection has continuous inverse on). Your experience will bear this out each time. In "technical" analysis there is no such quality so the trader tries to guess the best combination of indicators that guaranties "high probability" trades (but note ultimately this is negated by the fact that in a chaotic system no 2 cycles are the same EVER). But Inverse On = the highest probability trade and is and of itself the only sure indication you can get. Of course being human one would want something "concrete" to assure him or her he is on the right track so it is fine to use snaps to try to identify such for yourself and generally just for psychological reasons but the quality is in math not what you try to work out since that can fail. But if you understand the math in slide 1 for instance you know that a certain function must fluctuate uncertainly in order to repeatedly fold since the system (market), must repeatedly fold to stretch. That does not imply risk but an inductive process that in the end follows through accordingly. It is simple is NOT a lack of quality it is because of the absolute certainty of the quality of the MATH - it is absolute and hence a deterministic system admits no randomness in its future states exactly as you see in Orbit.

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Would be nice to get opinions about this simple fact "no 2 cycles pattern the same EVER and regardless of scale," in Orbit this does not render information useless. But instead we apply concepts in kinematics in given topologies to obtain specific information that is useful for reading the path dependency of price. But think what it must mean for trying to form systems of indications. It would be nice to hear from @regit et al.

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