Now I understand why you say that in the time feames casualties there are many fractures

in larger time frames more regularity can be observed

he foresees it with renko to eliminate the time factor, and you can see how the same pattern is repeated over and over again. By filtering out market noise, peaks and valleys can be seen clearly

What I find interesting is how the folding space until the next fracture could be calculated mathematically.

Manu9710 wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:11 pm Now I understand why you say that in the time feames casualties there are many fractures

your orange line looks like a Sine Wave (return to mean)

Meyney wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:29 am your orange line looks like a Sine Wave (return to the main)

is a Mladen indicator based on the fourier transform

k_khan_bt wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:29 pm

Leonardo Da Vinci had stated that there are three types of people:...
'Those who see,
Those who can be shown
and those who will not see.'

Thank You brother Sam @Darkdoji i am profitably trading the system in real account, so far its theory is working fine & i want it to work for the rest, accept my best wishes for all of your success in making huge good bucks with the orbit.

Best Regards

Would you show us the way you trade it?

Thanks in advance

johnere wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:44 pm Would you show us the way you trade it?

Thanks in advance

Its Simple
Do i need to show it how do i trade Orbit?
Pl go back few pages there re number of videos of my live trading that i have posted consult with them along with the trading manuals you will get it.

Regards

johnere wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:44 pm Would you show us the way you trade it?

Thanks in advance

Hi johnere,

I'm not using this tool right now but i can give you some pointers of where you could start. You are probably getting overwhelmed right now so for you it doesn't seem so simple.

Maybe just stick to one currency pair, open two windows. One with a naked chart and the other with orbit the tool. Observe what's going on and watch the commands change on orbit the tool. Create your own checklist of things you want to see before opening a trade.

Baby steps!

TRADING ORBIT THE TOOL FOR REAL
Background
Orbit the Tool is an exact Oscillator model of the market, an oscillator model is as explained in a handout already provided. At all times, the model reports the state of the market exactly. Therefore, to trade by the model the user has no need for market analysis - reading the model correctly is the same as analysing the market correctly at any time point in a live market.

Price is an iterate (Google up), and our mathematics show that it evolves in bijective streams going up (rally) or down (selloff). What is a bijection? For our purposes, a Semaphore point that moves from the Low of the i - Highlow band to the High of the same band, and a Semaphore point that moves from the High of the i-Highlow band to a low of the same band is bijective. This is true for any and all time frames and note that low and high of i-Highlow depends on when price stops to move id (e.g. 5n at a KSO limit changes sign at either band end).

The difference in the change between a high and a low or a low and a high Semaphore point is called a translation and it is this difference we want to take advantage of when we trade. At a low we buy in the expectation that when a translation to a high occurs we sell to pocket the difference and vice versa. Important to understand that the market is a nested system of pivots, e.g. a Semaphore at 9n low has an exact counterpart in 8n, 7n, ... n and all move together in one and ONLY one direction at a time (but the movement is sequenced so, e.g. n or other partition rising in a falling 9n market does not mean price is behaving differently in the 2 partitions, just shows that price rises to fall and falls to rise but signals the range (depth) of change by partition (i.e., price as a unit strictly follows the Strange Attractor pattern always).

So the main question for a trader is timing. When is a Semaphore (or a point), ready to translate id? Reading Orbit indications tell you when (but note that translation speeds are not even so, e.g. a translation from 0 - 500 points can take a minute or a day, etc but the process remains the same and as described). Orbit the Tool times the begin and end of translations (at scale) exactly. What is scale? For our purposes the size of the range for which price travels as a unit at the same time to a single end point (i.e., all time frames synchronized id), from a low Semaphore to a high Semaphore and vice versa (Spike Events). In the most simplistic sense, use scale to mean the per interval difference between a low 6n Semaphore and a high 6n Semaphore (and vice versa). Do not worry about time frames Orbit measures at intraday scale and price can NEVER move below or above that scale at a time because market movements are constrained by clock time.

Now, because price is an iterate it will repeatedly translate in the said alternate up and down movements (bijections) as it rises (rally) or as it falls (selloff). In other words, price is nonmonotonic because it moves up and down whether it is going up or down. But we know that this up and down movement sustains for one and ONLY one direction at A time (sustains for a scale interval). It is important to understand this because rising price may "pullback" at scale without changing the direction (reversal) and the same is true for falling price. But in trading by the model focus on scale since a movement is not over (the scale interval remains open id) until and unless the bijections in one direction are "complete" at scale or *(n - Xn show new and oppositely signed Semaphores of equal signature + Orbit turns). Signature? Inspect the Semaphore heads and see that they are differently marked and a bijection id is not complete until the marking at a low is the same as at a high and vice versa (X = Y, Y = X).* Take Xn to imply the largest partition (e.g. 5n), for which the given condition is true and whether or not a bijection is complete at scale.

Steps in Trading the Model

Step 1 : Select a Market Window
Orbit the Tool reads the market to scale. This means it reads the longest (zigzag) diagonal available at a time so you get the largest exit possible (i.e. as allowed by the market), in range each move. It does not matter whether you are a so called position trader or a scalper the market allows no more and no less than the Orbit scale at any one time. This can be traded from any market window (M1 - MN). So the choice of market window is for a trader to decide - based on what he is comfortable with in reading available moves. Of course a position trader may prefer the Weekly window and a scalper may prefer the M1 window but the movements they will experience is the same and to the same range though with the different perspectives they can decide things e.g., strategy as one decides to harvest discrete runs and the other invests to hold or whatever per period.

Step 2: Evaluate (scope) the market
Common sense demands you scope the charts every time you begin a session (i.e., page to the left and right of your trade window to other screens to scope the market). You are looking for Semaphores per page where they are locating relative to the i-Highlow band and what at signature and trying to gain a sense of "price disposition," as well as location of the singularity per page using the MRI e.g., is price in the folding range of the D1 window or is it in the stretching range (gaining a sense of space in direction). What you really want from all of this is the orientation of your trading mind (e.g. if price is folding in WK and is currently at a low what does that imply for movement and what kind of space is available (either direction), measured by the MRI). But when you go back to your trade window keep all your scoping in the back of your mind, make no firm decisions and focus ONLY on what the screenface is telling you. However, before going from scoping to the screenface spend a little time looking at the KSO - where did you meet the intraday array of partitions? At lows, in range (R) or at highs? From your scoping and check on the KSO intraday array any sense of a fit? And with that you now focus on the screenface.

Step 3: Reading the State of the System (Note: the system is the market NOT the tool - this is Chaos and the market is the system you trade)
a) Where is the secret arrow pointed? The secret arrow is the investment direction - we sometimes say long-term but really that is the direction the market is invested in. But the market is also investing in that direction rationally and based on an important fact - where the Initial Value is pointing since that is the direction in which the market is iterating all prior investments in the market and therefore directly related in direction to Spike Event and the Top Arrow which point the way.

b) Where is the range arrow pointed? The range arrow is the current fluctuation or lack of fluctuation in the investment. We say short-term but in fact in the iterative process its up and down changes actually grow direction either way and it is a critical part of system (market) behaviour.

c) Where is the spot arrow pointing? This is the risk for new bets. Are you coming from KSO lows or highs or is the distribution of partitions in the middle, and if so with what signs? Where is 9n - the unit in KSO anyway and what does that mean for the outlook you are reading? You are betting based on your read of a) and b) but the spot arrow is also your (best) lead based on your read of the KSO and Cyclicality - WHY? Momentum of course, how does that look from those 2 and the power reader (so all we have mentioned are not just indications they are context readers and require you to consider why you are deciding the way you are).

d) But where is the confidence you should have in the decision you are about to make? Term Trade arrow and its components is where to find confidence. This tells you how risky what you are about to decide is. It is a measure of how volatility is deviated across partitions. Up or down but also over what partitions? All 6 intraday partitions? Or just the first 3? Stable or in a flux? All 6 intraday is great but only the first 3 is short termist given a lack of hold on the middle market (middle 3) and then again the KSO and Cyclicality - are they incrementing or decrementing the chances of growth, and which direction? Last 3 is often history but it is also market inclination (can kick your a*%). In any case should be obvious what to think from reading a - c plus all the points made so far. This is all clearly going to take some practice and observation (but is so intuitively logical learning it this way is a breeze) and I mention all of this only for your peace of mind. Orbit the Tool is intended for strategic traders and all I have said above would not scare a strategic trader it would or should make him see he will be happy with the tool. Orbit is not just accurate it makes the user think rationally in the few minutes, even seconds (with practice), it takes to read the state of the system and input your call.

e) Changing your mind. Yes you can do so quickly and very profitably if despite all reason you go ahead and be yourself and make the wrong call. Well it is a market and if it is not up it is down so you entered up and suddenly all hell breaks the other way -----> kill the wrong input and reenter correctly the Orbit play you now see as the right play. YOU WILL RECOVER ANY LOSS AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO FORGET YOU EVER MESSED UP EVEN WITH THE BEST TRADING SURFACE ON EARTH. Never regret stay alert to correct - Orbit is NEVER wrong but you are not Orbit, you learn to read Orbit correctly.

f) So you are now cruising and feeling good about life and trading - not so tough after all you are saying to yourself. This is also the time to look more closely at the term arrows and strategy lines -----> what are they saying and what does that mean for the price action ahead? The term arrows give you information about now and the future and allows you to work things out in your mind - we have Short-Term (S), Medium-Term (M) and Long- Term (L). They are there to show you what the changes now mean for the positioning of price in future and so do not act on them spontaneously rather allow them to feed your sense of how things are shaping in range so when you do act you do so with a full sense of the market. They relate as well to the Ordinals at the top marked similarly and the Ordinals in addition to pointing direction per term tell you whether the move in term direction is id (one pointer) or in flux (two pointers red and black). Finally, They (term arrows) relate to Price Dynamics which tells you the kind of fluctuation you are trading (Persistent or Anti-persistent), the former will persist id and the latter might soon turn or evolve in to a persistent series - but clearly reflect unstable orbits in terms of where price is headed at a time point.

g) The future of Orbit the Tool is in the cloud. Several more modules and greater functionality and communications. MT4 is constraining such in the prototype tool you are trading (for just 1/3 of what Orbit can do see the problems such as hanging, etc). In the cloud version you should be able to call up context diagrams to tell you more about what is going on. A more sophisticated screenface colour divergence-convergence scheme to tell you intuitively how things are shaping, automatic user defined take profit function (very useful in very volatile assets), very early and direct entry and exit calls, music, news feed, etc. But that needs investor input as it costs a hell of a lot $s to make life that simple for the trader and so I am talking to investors who have no sense or imagination of what the hell I am talking about and always focused on the silly question "so how much does this thing make in a month" - IT IS AN EQUATION IT MAKES MONEY ALL THE TIME AND MULTIPLIED BY THE NUMBER OF SUCCESSFUL USER INCOMEs THE AMOUNT MADE IS UNCOUNTABLE - then they go blank. So we keep trading the prototype until I can find investors who understand what the hell I am talking about and so afford to unleash from the cloud. My aim is to change things so that the haunted may now haunt with a license - if God gives me life to that point. One last thing, newbie traders (I think) keep asking for step by step algorithms and ask things like show us how you make your entries, etc but there is nothing like that to show. You are trading an oscillator model which is loop through ambient space each cycle. So you look to trade from the low KSO (-) range to the high (+) tracking a Semaphore move in 6n to gain the scale interval. Looking at cyclicality and the KSO with all the stuff that has been said above you are guided and you practice with the live feed. Thank you,

The Crow (-_-)

PS: Please do not ask obvious questions you can find for yourself from all the documentation already output. I will not be available for that kind of action. Refer to those handouts and talk to others on the forum. Khan is great and got the hang all by himself within a week of using the tool and is making money now, so lets talk among ourselves what we think and what we know. This is supposed to an open and interactive thread and I am not the sole voice --- it will not be good at all if I am.