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Darkdoji wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:27 am For a few bucks or any amount of money I bet I make money all the time that is the point without worrying about it. If the market is going 10000 points it starts earlier, etc common sense so I do not see the fuss - I cannot believe this. So I do not understand why people are asking this and that as if trading is rocket science when it is just no more than entry/exit you just trade it when it tells you to trade. Simple - the rocket science is the tool.

The tool is correct so follow that is all.

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Forgive me, dear MrTools, but I could not restrain myself...
Another one man compares trading to rocket science...
Yes, you are absolutely right, trading is not rocket science, its many times more difficult than rocket science!
In rocket science, you are dealing with exact sciences such as physics, mathematics, chemistry within the known laws of these sciences. All that is required of you is the knowledge of these laws and their correct application and the absence of errors in calculations.
There are no clear laws in trading that would work always and everywhere, and on the contrary, there is always a huge amount of uncertainty and randomness. A trader exists in an environment where two and two today is four, tomorrow five, and the day after tomorrow three and a half. It seems, as it were, not far from four, but not four either. That is why only five out of a hundred traders are successful, and the remaining 95 don't achieve anything significant in this field.
And if out of a hundred rockets only five took off, people would have already quit doing it, by analogy with the words of Mandelbrot, which you quoted - If traders knew mathematics well, they would never have chosen this profession.
So stop comparing trading and rocket science. Rocket science, compared to trading, is elementary school, nothing more....
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And let me add a few more comments...
The product you created is very atypical in terms of trading. You say that this is not a trading system, but a mathematical model of market chaos. You also say that you are not a trader, but a chaosist.
But on this resource, the vast majority of people are practicing traders, not mathematicians. Therefore, in order to speak the same language with these people (if you are interested in this, of course), you had to start with specific explanations of all the nuances of your template in a language understandable to other people (non-chaosists), and also what this or that element of the template is specifically intended for. .
Further, it would be necessary to form a set of clear rules for entering and exiting a position. No matter how complex these rules are, the main thing is that its must be clearly formed. Unfortunately, the PDF files you refer to, don't provide a clear and unambiguous understanding of how to use your invention. Until there are these clear rules and descriptions will be formed, there will not be any constructive dialogue here, but only continuous questions and vague answers, which is observed in the vast majority of threads.
No rules - no trade. Everything else is just about thematic tinsel.
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ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:24 pm And let me add a few more comments...
The product you created is very atypical in terms of trading. You say that this is not a trading system, but a mathematical model of market chaos. You also say that you are not a trader, but a chaosist.
But on this resource, the vast majority of people are practicing traders, not mathematicians. Therefore, in order to speak the same language with these people (if you are interested in this, of course), you had to start with specific explanations of all the nuances of your template in a language understandable to other people (non-chaosists), and also what this or that element of the template is specifically intended for. .
Further, it would be necessary to form a set of clear rules for entering and exiting a position. No matter how complex these rules are, the main thing is that its must be clearly formed. Unfortunately, the PDF files you refer to, don't provide a clear and unambiguous understanding of how to use your invention. Until there are these clear rules and descriptions will be formed, there will not be any constructive dialogue here, but only continuous questions and vague answers, which is observed in the vast majority of threads.
No rules - no trade. Everything else is just about thematic tinsel.
You make no sense to me at all. And no need to communicate when you are not making sense. You are ignorant of the subject and cannot even read what I write well. I gave you a specific basis for engaging but clearly even that is intellectually inaccessible to you. Listen here, attention seeking behaviour puts me off especially for persons I assume are old enough to know their irrelevance to others. Do the little math assignment I gave you. If you are unable to do even that kindly keep to yourself as you would be irrelevant to me completely. I do not have the time or the patience for the tenebrific.

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PS: You do not know the subject, you are so ignorant about it, it is sad. you cannot trade the tool and there is nothing in particular you have the ability or skills to dispute or confirm so there is nothing here for you to do just take a break and live the life you lived before Orbit. Your trading means nothing to me and I do not even know you as a trader of worth. I really would not have your time anymore because you are completely irrelevant to me and my purpose and frankly you do not matter anywhere.

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Darkdoji wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:29 am No I am tired and I am NOT a trader to have that patience with traders. I said you see it when to enter and if you miss it you are only learning to remember it. There is an arrow combination follow it. The types of diagrams I would like to setup and talk about are not that simple at all. There are other things to say. When you can just follow. Any Orbit screen posted on this site go and look at it and see that each tells you what to do at the time they where taken. Use those for examples.

Cheers

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It is always 100% rigth, but you wont take a minute to make a couple screenshots on a live market, and say what the trade would have been?
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Thank you friend, but since some time I haven't used other people's work and templates because one day I realized that it all makes no sense. Naturally, I, like anyone else, have a purely human interest in what other people are doing. But the more I look, the more I realize that this is not applicable to me. Therefore, I go exclusively on my own path, through difficulties, disappointments, etc., to which I have always called everyone else. Only in this way you can create something of your own, something worthwhile. And I know that I have passed 90% of my path. And now I look at other people's work, not in order to possibly borrow or adopt something, but in order to compare with the approach that I use.
In fact, a trader always needs to know 4 points...
1 - direction in which open a position
2 - the moment when its better to do it
3 - target for TP and correct level for SL
4 - lot size for entry (acceptable risks, MM, etc.)
Does your product provide clear answers to these 4 questions? In my opinion it doesn't. If there are no these answers, then it makes no sense to dive into this endless set of colored arrows, dots, squares and what is behind it. Everything said is purely my opinion. Let everyone decide for himself.
Sorry if I was rude, goodbye...

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ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:25 pm Forgive me, dear MrTools, but I could not restrain myself...
Another one man compares trading to rocket science...
Yes, you are absolutely right, trading is not rocket science, its many times more difficult than rocket science!
In rocket science, you are dealing with exact sciences such as physics, mathematics, chemistry within the known laws of these sciences. All that is required of you is the knowledge of these laws and their correct application and the absence of errors in calculations.
There are no clear laws in trading that would work always and everywhere, and on the contrary, there is always a huge amount of uncertainty and randomness. A trader exists in an environment where two and two today is four, tomorrow five, and the day after tomorrow three and a half. It seems, as it were, not far from four, but not four either. That is why only five out of a hundred traders are successful, and the remaining 95 don't achieve anything significant in this field.
And if out of a hundred rockets only five took off, people would have already quit doing it, by analogy with the words of Mandelbrot, which you quoted - If traders knew mathematics well, they would never have chosen this profession.
So stop comparing trading and rocket science. Rocket science, compared to trading, is elementary school, nothing more....
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ImpLaNT wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:51 pm Thank you friend, but since some time I haven't used other people's work and templates because one day I realized that it all makes no sense. Naturally, I, like anyone else, have a purely human interest in what other people are doing. But the more I look, the more I realize that this is not applicable to me. Therefore, I go exclusively on my own path, through difficulties, disappointments, etc., to which I have always called everyone else. Only in this way you can create something of your own, something worthwhile. And I know that I have passed 90% of my path. And now I look at other people's work, not in order to possibly borrow or adopt something, but in order to compare with the approach that I use.
In fact, a trader always needs to know 4 points...
1 - direction in which open a position
2 - the moment when its better to do it
3 - target for TP and correct level for SL
4 - lot size for entry (acceptable risks, MM, etc.)
Does your product provide clear answers to these 4 questions? In my opinion it doesn't. If there are no these answers, then it makes no sense to dive into this endless set of colored arrows, dots, squares and what is behind it. Everything said is purely my opinion. Let everyone decide for himself.
Sorry if I was rude, goodbye...
Listen cut your ego down it is obvious to a person like me that you know very little to nothing at all about the things you are talking about including trading (no laws? That is as much as you know?). As a chaotist I have the advantage of knowing things you cannot comprehend but I am also sure others see through you. I gave you a starting point and asked you to review some very simple math text the average dunce can unravel in a very short time. If you cannot do that please do NOT communicate with me further. It is a simple matter of mathematics - something we all can confirm here and now and it is in the text shown to you to check and become informed enough to either question my thesis or to confirm and understand it. If you do not do that then I do not know what you want here or with me. Because nothing you have said impress me and increasingly, things point to the fact that I am dealing with a person not necessarily at my level of understanding. So to help get you to see and focus on what you need to know to think along the lines I have presented I gave you an outline. Please read it up and do the things I have asked and we can talk else STOP wasting my precious time. Thank you

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PS: You cannot insist your narrative because it is completely ignorant and so to pursue any constructive discussions useful to all, gain the knowledge of the subject we are discussing as I have suggested and as anyone I know is able to do in a very short space of time and it will not take 5 minutes for you to see clear what you need to know to see I am 100% correct in every single thing I have said on this thread and to do so by objective measure. Let me assure you ----> you are dealing with something far bigger than anything you have seen or know in trading. So cut down your ego and do as I have said. Mostly for your benefit else please stay to yourself I simply do not have the time for meaninglessness.
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