Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#111
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:48 pm
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Thanks, now I understand better, how you trade especially with the clouds. Trading over M5 is a good decision. You should learn more about some of these indicators. As investopedia.com points out, adaptive ma are not better than non-adaptive. It always depends on indicators that filter out bad trades. You seem to optimize your system more to show entry at same point by different indicators, but if they all work on ma like oma, macd, they do not filter. I watch your work on forexfactory a long time now and you are making good progress.


Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#112
friend4you wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:13 pm
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:48 pm
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Thanks, now I understand better, how you trade especially with the clouds. Trading over M5 is a good decision. You should learn more about some of these indicators. As investopedia.com points out, adaptive ma are not better than non-adaptive. It always depends on indicators that filter out bad trades. You seem to optimize your system more to show entry at same point by different indicators, but if they all work on ma like oma, macd, they do not filter. I watch your work on forexfactory a long time now and you are making good progress.
you are right adaptive ma are no better then non adaptive,
ususally all averages that were made adaptive by others were based of some kind of smoothing , double smoothing .. like that so they were not much better
but mladen did something different on step one more averages 2.3 version, as he used atr ranges for smoothing, so it made all the difference and that is why you will find it more useful.

as you will notice with this average is that it will adapt to small prices changes at junctions of point of anticipated trend reversals well(because of atr range calculation it uses) and if there is no big price bar action for reversal happening , that means it will continue to keep you in trend as filter.
it reacts in indicating trend reversal when there is big price bar action in opposite direction,(dramatic change of atr ranges in opposite direction) which is usually the case in tend reversals, that big price reversal bar happens( to catch each trader on wrong side and trader rushes to close their positions in fear) at junctions of price and trend reversals, this prices reversal bars are even bigger in case of down price actions,( downtrend) as fear grips in faster in that case. usually this down price damage is done in first 5-6 downbars with most damage being done in first 2 bars.
so i use it ,for running filter in case i anticipate trending market which happens in only 1/3 of times,. only, rest of the time market is in sideways mode.
it is in this trending times only that higher top and higher bottom pattern is worth trading and makes money.
when two lines on macd comes close, if it is trending market then robust price bar should occur to separate these two lines again to form higher top and higher bottom.(till this robust price action bar keeps happening it is trend and i keep trailing) if this robust price action does not follow i become alert for possible consolidation or correction. at present that is how i analyse. drawing trendline is a useful tool, as trendlines are better in showing price stength or weakness then any other indicator.
if you have kind of filter you can suggest one , and i will be adding it to my system too.
clouds are constructed based on step one more average , color change on cloud is junction of centerline cross of macd. histogram rising and falling on cloud shows start and end of price swings. this swings gets extended in trending markets in direction of trend as prices refused to correct. that is when role of step one more average 2.3 comes in to play as filter, to keep me in trend till trend lasts.
you can suggest other indicators also to add to this system.
thanks.

Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#113
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 pm
friend4you wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:13 pm


Thanks, now I understand better, how you trade especially with the clouds. Trading over M5 is a good decision. You should learn more about some of these indicators. As investopedia.com points out, adaptive ma are not better than non-adaptive. It always depends on indicators that filter out bad trades. You seem to optimize your system more to show entry at same point by different indicators, but if they all work on ma like oma, macd, they do not filter. I watch your work on forexfactory a long time now and you are making good progress.
you are right adaptive ma are no better then non adaptive,
ususally all averages that were made adaptive by others were based of some kind of smoothing , double smoothing .. like that so they were not much better
but mladen did something different on step one more averages 2.3 version, as he used atr ranges for smoothing, so it made all the difference and that is why you will find it more useful.

if you have kind of filter you can suggest one , and i will be adding it to my system too.
clouds are constructed based on step one more average , color change on cloud is junction of centerline cross of macd. histogram rising and falling on cloud shows start and end of price swings. this swings gets extended in trending markets in direction of trend as prices refused to correct. that is when role of step one more average 2.3 comes in to play as filter, to keep me in trend till trend lasts.
you can suggest other indicators also to add to this system.
thanks.
A good description. If you set your step oma to use highs and lows, it looks even better and nearly exactly as the atr-bands except, that bands show always good sl-values on BOTH sides. Yes, most trader get lost in non-trending time or they jump late on spikes. Wider Bands also allow to see higher tf trend in a smooth way and entering cheaper long on new up after pullback. Will have a deeper look on your way of trading. Thanks.


Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#116
friend4you wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:38 am
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 pm


you are right adaptive ma are no better then non adaptive,
ususally all averages that were made adaptive by others were based of some kind of smoothing , double smoothing .. like that so they were not much better
but mladen did something different on step one more averages 2.3 version, as he used atr ranges for smoothing, so it made all the difference and that is why you will find it more useful.

if you have kind of filter you can suggest one , and i will be adding it to my system too.
clouds are constructed based on step one more average , color change on cloud is junction of centerline cross of macd. histogram rising and falling on cloud shows start and end of price swings. this swings gets extended in trending markets in direction of trend as prices refused to correct. that is when role of step one more average 2.3 comes in to play as filter, to keep me in trend till trend lasts.
you can suggest other indicators also to add to this system.
thanks.
A good description. If you set your step oma to use highs and lows, it looks even better and nearly exactly as the atr-bands except, that bands show always good sl-values on BOTH sides. Yes, most trader get lost in non-trending time or they jump late on spikes. Wider Bands also allow to see higher tf trend in a smooth way and entering cheaper long on new up after pullback. Will have a deeper look on your way of trading. Thanks.
yes you are right, your atr bands settings are excellent, i think you must have arrived to that settings after much of trial and error.
in fact before you provided with that band settings i was always wandering what is the high and low atr ranges that are used in step oma as there is no option to show bands around step oma. it is when i overlapped your bands on step oma that is when i came to know with exact visibility on chart.
as you said your bands provides with nice sl on both sides of bands is right too. especially when that is confirmed by step oma(as it uses the same ranges i think as your atr bands shows to draw upper and lower borders of bands.
the inclusion of stlm histogram and macd in my system is not to track moving avrages.

i need to track volume and open interest data changes with indicator to trade well for that defined swing.
stlm histogram does that.( so is macd. as stlm histogram is with less whipsaws then macd it puts in better visibility with macd)
to meet this task of tracking volume and open interest i had a task to match it with indicator.

so i matched real open interest and volume data provided by exchange on stocks and index futures data on different software that provides the real exchange data.
for example when prices are falling in downtrend till stlm histogram keeps posting red bars , volume and open interest keeps rising, (more shorts keep forming)
when stlm histogram starts to post green histogram and starts ascending that is when short squeeze begins, that short squeeze continues till again red histogram bars on stlm indicator does not appear. and if again after hitting crucial averages prices starts falling and histogram starts showing red bars(it shows new additiong of volume and open interest happening on short side and prices will again start falling in direction of the downtrend) so that is what stlm histogram shows me on volume and open interest front visibly on chart without need to match it again and again to real data of open interest and volume.)
macd matches with the same description as above.
all the rest of the indicators on this system are based to match this volume and open interest data too.
you may also want to try and match it with volume and open interest data too.

i need to do this drill to see where stlm histogram stands(alojng with assesment of whole system) for the on going swing every day and on all time frames beginning from monthly frame down to 15 minutes chart frame. (as i do not trade in ltf templet timeframe but htf templet timeframes), those who trade on ltf timeframes need to do this drill till m1 timeframe )
i have stopped on ltf timeframes because i need breathing space and time in my favour, though trading on htf does mean that i have to be ready for more margin money)

as you rightly said in early part of trading life every one makes mistakes to trade sideways markets and try to catch swings late ( including me too)
but Mr. market teaches the lessons the hard way.

as you are fine tund technically , and go through every minute details ,and provide with constructive ideas, it is worth elaboratig to you
for others it is just a 'colorful' system.

thanks.

Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#117
friend4you wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:38 am
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 pm


you are right adaptive ma are no better then non adaptive,
ususally all averages that were made adaptive by others were based of some kind of smoothing , double smoothing .. like that so they were not much better
but mladen did something different on step one more averages 2.3 version, as he used atr ranges for smoothing, so it made all the difference and that is why you will find it more useful.

if you have kind of filter you can suggest one , and i will be adding it to my system too.
clouds are constructed based on step one more average , color change on cloud is junction of centerline cross of macd. histogram rising and falling on cloud shows start and end of price swings. this swings gets extended in trending markets in direction of trend as prices refused to correct. that is when role of step one more average 2.3 comes in to play as filter, to keep me in trend till trend lasts.
you can suggest other indicators also to add to this system.
thanks.
A good description. If you set your step oma to use highs and lows, it looks even better and nearly exactly as the atr-bands except, that bands show always good sl-values on BOTH sides. Yes, most trader get lost in non-trending time or they jump late on spikes. Wider Bands also allow to see higher tf trend in a smooth way and entering cheaper long on new up after pullback. Will have a deeper look on your way of trading. Thanks.
setting step oma on using high low means that it will not react till the high and low of atr range is broken(higher and lower border of your atr bands), that means that it will be slower to react on turning points of trend. as first the center line of your atr bands will be broken then the higher or lower band will be broken. the same hold true for high low settings on step oma.

Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#118
nathanvbasko wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:11 am

I believe that this one is much better, and easy to read unlike TDIZ.
dynamic zones absolutestrength of averages diff 2.mq4
Can you post the settings you use. To me, it looks different to TDI, but there are lots of possibilities in the indicator.

Like in the adaptive TDI I posted, it's very helpful to see when moves may end like with these dyn zones Floating levels.

Re: Tsar - Dynamic Zone Trading System

#119
rijay wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:48 pm
friend4you wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:37 am


That looks interesting, how do you use the new tdi posted above? I prefer bands instead of dynamic zones, because they react faster and smoother. It is different from your template with the most indicators. Can you post your actual version again? All TDI just work in direction of short ma.
Tsar, thx, but you have no newer template since 1 month and that on post 1?
What are your trading rules to enter and exit?
this is how to use htf templet effetively
Very beautiful, can you send final y témplate and indicators. Thanks and good job


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